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billy nomates · Spirit Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 944

i know we have had posts on here in other places but............

as i said elsewhere- many of these jabs are untested or have had very little testing..........

and now a poor girl has died.........immediately the state machinery jumped into action and says it was due to an 'underlying condition'..........

these jabs cost £250....so why the ++++ arent these kids tested for 'underlying conditions before vaccination?

the facts are that THOUSANDS of kids have suffered terrible side effects.....
yet big pharma and the govt dont want you to know...

apparently 700 women per year die from cervical cancer.now i am not belittling the effects of cancer but in the scheme of things that is a very small amount.3000 are killed on the roads and 9000 from drinking.again small numbers compared to the amount of journeys and drinkers.
so why the almost hysterical reaction?

in the u.s they have already started the nazi regime............
it will come here soon for the swine flu............so far in the uk only a few people have died from it yet there is a mass panic..........thousands of people die from normal flu each year - so why is this fear being whipped up?

evergreen · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:09 am Post subject:

yeah they never know how an individual will react..never !!!

say no to vaccinations :)
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billy nomates · Spirit Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 944

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sheelanagig · Ghost Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 160

It's the same with Statins given out to people with supposed high cholesterol.
(btw Doctors are paid fro every patient they give Statins to)

My mum was on these for approximately one year, she became so ill, but at the time no one suspected Statin.

She was sent to see a consultant who sent her for a scan.
From the results of the scan he told her that her liver was enlarged to 3 times it's normal size, and it looked like she was a heavy drinker.

My mom only has a tipple on special occasions, she has never been a big drinker of alcohol.

She could only think of the statins she was taking from when the first symptoms had shown themselves.

The consultant reluctantly agreed she could come off them for a short while, and almost instantly her health began to improve.
3 months later her liver was almost back to normal.

Then the saga began again. The medical professionals wanted to put her back on Statins.

My mom is a very feisty lady who dug her heels in and refused to go back on them despite the pleading and references to her supposed high cholesterol count.

She has since met others who did not suit statins and had been crippled by a mystery illness since taking them.

You never hear reports about Statins causing liver problems, but they do.

So if you are asked to take them please think carefully.

Do you want to be so ill you no longer want to live?
Or would you prefer a good quality of life and live with high Cholesterol?

laura · Ghost Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 388 Location: hampshire

i have to agree with EG .....my girls won't be having any more vacinations... i feel this is too new with very little testing ...i feel they are using our children as guinea pigs to work out whether they have created something of worth or not.... what will the long term effects of this jab be? and is it going to remove the teaching about sexual health to our children?
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Sian · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject:

This is indeed a very worrying subject. I am lucky that as my daughter is only 4 it's not something I will have to think about too much for a fair while.

Other vaccinations which she will have in the meantime, well, I suppose we'll have to look into them as and when they come up. She's had all of her jabs so far, despite the fact that I myself had a bad reaction to the MMR jab and ended up in a wheelchair for 2 yrs. However I DID have a serious underlying medical condition.

It is a difficult choice for any parent. Every invasive treatment has risks, giving a blood sample holds a risk, just like having a pain jab before a tooth is pulled.

I guess as parents we must weigh up the pro's and cons and make the choice we feel is right in our hearts.

However the government and pharmaceutical companies should be made to be open and honest and provide us with clear unbiased information to help make our choice.

beantighe · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject:

And there's the rub, Sian - I don't for one minute believe we are given the full story, either by doctors or the government. You can bet your bottom dollar there's money at the bottom of it somewhere - after all, these drug companies don't make drugs out of the goodness of their hearts. It costs huge sums to develop these drugs and vaccines, and they've got to recoup their money somehow, and yes, doctors get paid an average of around £5 a time for every vaccination they give, whether for swine flu, ordinary flu, or this new cervical cancer one. That's one good reason for me not to have a swine flu jab if I'm offered it.

Admittedly, my girls all had their immunisations when they were little, as I felt these were tried and tested, and the diseases they were meant to prevent were much worse than the jabs. But the new vaccine for swine flu has, I feel, been brought out far too quickly and hasn't had enough testing, and I for one wouldn't want any child of mine being used as a guinea pig, because like all parents, I'd never forgive myself if I let them have it and something went wrong.

We are so at the mercy of government propaganda.

Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5320

Not that it will ever be an issue for me but I think if had kids I would innoculate them against diseases that could kill them or leave them permanently damaged in some way but for things like Measles or Mumps, it's just a few weeks of discomfort, that's all.

I had both Measles and Mumps when I was a kid, I had chicken pox as well, don't get me wrong, it wasn't a barrel of laughs and I think my parents suffered more than I did, but I got over it.

sheelanagig · Ghost Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 160

Back in 76 when my eldest was a babe in arms my neighbour's daughter who was 5 got the measles.
She was ill for about a week, and seemed to recover well.
A few days later she complained of her head hurting and went to have a nap after school.
She never woke up again.... The virus had caused problems with her brain which no one was aware of.

It was so very sad.

I made sure my children had the measles vaccination, which was well before the triple injection.
Yet my son managed to come down with the illness on my second week back at work, after being home for 9 years from the birth of my eldest to my youngest starting full time school at the age of 5.

Because the mortality rate for children is much higher now than 100 years ago, a lot of us have not experienced how devastating these childhood illnesses can be.

Sian · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject:

Measles and Mumps are both potentially fatal infections. They cause long term damage in many cases thay aren't fatal and are particularly nasty for adults.

Immunisations are invaluable tools, they can wipe out terrible illnesses very effectively when used properly, think about smallpox for example.

The real issue is proper testing and accurate reports on the testing being made available for people to make an informed choice.

wackyjacky · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject:

Sorry to hear about your daughter Sheela, it must have been devastating for you all.

I'm still unsure if to have my son have the MenC jab (he had the others so far), I don't really like the idea that he'll be injected with menengitis... They say that anyone upto the age of 35 will be asked to have it. That counts me out and I can't say that I'm bothered about that.

Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5320

I'm sure there's a side effect to them - most drugs have a side effect, but once again it's just the scaremongerers like our Billy who thrive on peddling stories like this.

So one girl has died, what about the millions who haven't and will lead healthy lives free of cervical cancer?

sheelanagig · Ghost Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 160

It was not my daughter, it was my neighbours daughter.

But it still hit home hard.

wackyjacky · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject:

So Sorry Sheela, my mistake, though I still think its a sad experience.

sheelanagig · Ghost Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 160

No worries wackyjacky,

There are lots ways our children can be harmed be it illness or an accident.

When I think back to my carefree years as a child throughout the 60's and early 70's, makes me feel sad for what the children of today are missing out on in the name of safely.

Swimming in the canal with our dog.
Scrumping at a local farm.
Riding my bike through a wooded area full of craters left from the war.
We even named some of the more difficult and dangerous runs.

Happy Memories......

I am glad I am not a youngster now

david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7880 Location: Essex

beantighe · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:18 am Post subject:

My sympathies are all with the family of the girl who died. They must be torturing themselves now with thoughts of What if? Apart from anything else, the suddenness of her death must have left them devastated. They can't help but be wondering whether the vaccine had anything to do with it. It's all very well for reports to be saying she had 'underlying health problems', but we're never told what these might be, which might go some way towards allaying other people's fears, and might even be a beneficial warning to others who might be suffering from the same 'underlying health problem' which might react badly with the vaccine and therefore be a contra-indication against having it.

Not enough information is far worse than too much.

billy nomates · Spirit Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 944

raymond- why don't you learn to read instead of spouting verbal diorrhea 24/7?

there have been thousands of girls suffering severe side effects .........

Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5320

Teenager Natalie Morton died from a malignant tumour in her chest and not from a reaction to the cervical cancer jab.

Deputy coroner for Coventry Louise Hunt told the 14-year-old's parents that the current indication was that the vaccine was not a contributing factor in her death.

Opening and adjourning the inquest at Coventry Magistrates' Court, she said: "It appears that Natalie died from a tumour in her chest involving her heart and her lungs."

Natalie collapsed less than two hours after being given a cervical cancer vaccination at Coventry's Blue Coat Church of England School on Monday.

The deputy coroner for Coventry heard that Natalie collapsed in a corridor at the school around 75 minutes after being given her injection.

Natalie's mother Elaine Bullock and stepfather Andrew Bullock, paid tribute the 14-year-old outside the court.
They said she was a "kind and fun-loving teenager with a beautiful smile".

Mr Bullock said: "Natalie was a wonderful daughter, sister and granddaughter. She was kind, fun-loving and had a beautiful smile.
"Natalie had a strong personal faith in God. We know that she has gone to heaven to be with her saviour, Jesus."
He added: "We now know that Natalie's death was the result of a serious underlying medical condition and most probably nothing to do with the vaccine that she had at school on Monday."

Well there we are. Conspiracy theory over.

david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7880 Location: Essex

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I missed it.
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matt · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject:

evergreen · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject:

if they want to vaccinate then perhaps they need to full medical checks before they do so... then perhaps they would have found the tumor??

My girls and son were vaccinated .. and then they all have had measles anyway the difficulty of reaction and my eldest has had it twice .. vaccinations do not guarantee that the illness will never be contracted

the cervical cancer was not tested enough in my mind... I think it is the first in a great number of cancer vaccines that I hope they will start to test a lot more as what temptation to be vaccinated against cancer

with regards to the swine flu vaccination ... here children under 10 are not allow it ... they are asking pregnant women to have it just incase... there is public outcry mainly from doctors saying there is no way to know it is safe... when doctors don't' trust it then surely there are questions that should be asked

my children will not be getting it .. none have ever had the flu .. they probably have very good immunity to it already .. why play with fire
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beantighe · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject:

Must admit I've never been as scared of vaccines as I am about these new ones, and it's only late on today that we've been told about this poor schoolgirl's tumour. I'm surprised nobody knew about it before.

And I'm appalled that doctors are asking parents with children as young as six months old to let them be used as guinea pigs for this new swine flu vaccine! If I still had children that young, it would be No Way!!

My youngest daughter had all her immunisations as a baby, just like her sisters, and still caught whooping-cough when she was about 7. I knew what it was, and I knew what the doctor would say, so there was no point in taking her to see him. I just kept her off school until she was better.

Going back to when I was 7, I was in hospital having just had my tonsils and adenoids out. My parents came in at normal visiting time and were told to bundle me off home quick, as it had been found I'd got whooping cough! I remember whooping and being sick for about 6 weeks.

billy nomates · Spirit Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 944

quote="evergreen"]if they want to vaccinate then perhaps they need to full medical checks before they do so... then perhaps they would have found the tumor??

my point almost exactly..........

these vaccines cost a lot of money ie £250........per child.......
so why the **** are they not given a medical first?

there are so many harmful ingredients in vaccines besides mercury......

here in the uk we have warnings on everything!!!!!
'this product may contain nuts' or on cigaretes.....
or we dont sell scissors to anyone under 75....or in supermarkets parents buying wine are stopped because they have kids with them.....etc

yet hey lets go and inject all these kids with christ knows what?

so what really IS going on?

and i also do not buy the immediate post mortem results.........
a man ,ian tomlinson,was killed early this year by a copper in london-

so far there have been 3 different autopsies -with 3 different causes of death.

sheelanagig · Ghost Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 160

I work with community nurses, and was chatting to them today about vaccinations.
One of my colleagues pointed out that children only have one physical medical examination after they are born, then they are never physically examined again unless they present a problem whilst growing up.

True we do hearing, vision and dental checks,
But never a full check on health as they are growing up.

She thought all children should be thoroughly examined before being given any type of vaccination or medication, as many underlying illness go undetected and can cause problems when certain chemicals or toxins are introduced to the body.