Ghost Hunters Extraordinaire

david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7943 Location: Essex

You asked the question "why do people find you offencive" at least it was something like that anyway.

I think that it is because you are honest and tell it the way it is to you.

Unfortunately in this world you need to be dishonest and pander to all levels of synapticaly challenged folks to have everyone love you.

It depends on whether you want to keep them on board and try to bring them to your understanding, or piss them off and never make any progress with them.

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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

Fair points, however there are a few things in your post I would like to reply to.
Firstly, the bit about 'bringing people to my understanding'. I have no interest in bringing people to anything, least of all 'my understanding'.
There are a number of reasons why this doesn't interest me. First of all, my understanding of things is just that, MY understanding.
The way I see the world and how it works is right for me - it may not be right for other people. So to waste my time and theirs trying to convince them of something that I hold as truth is pointless.
Secondly, even with an ego as huge as mine I can accept that even I am not always right.
I'm not here to be anybody's teacher, guru or life coach.
Certainly people can ask my take on various subjects and I will give my opinion (if I have one) and from then on it's up to them whether or not they take those opinions on board and adapt them to their way of thinking.

As for pissing people off, in actual fact it's very rare for me to set out to deliberately try and piss somebody off.
On this forum KJ is about the only one I would do that to.

The way I see it, this is an open forum with a paranormal leaning. A forum such as this should be about open and honest debate and an exchange of views and opinions.
Of course there has to be general rules of basic good manners and courtesy as there is in real life conversations, but at the end of the day this is a forum for (hopefully) grown-up, intelligent, mature people, and thankfully the vast majority of members are just that.

Put simply, if you don't want my opinion, don't ask for it.

I wasn't 'having a dig' at Paranormal Crazy, I was merely pointing out that he seems to post an extraordinary amount of videos all about doom and gloom.
The day I made that comment I was actually in a very good mood, and I logged onto here and saw about 3 videos he had uploaded about the world blowing up or something.

I really don't mind talking about such things. I will hold a conversation about most subjects - even ones I'm not particularly interested in but when someone just posts a link to a video with the words; WATCH THIS, it kind of stops any opportunity for debate.

Maybe if PC had posted the video and then gave his opinion on it I might have been able to respond accordingly and a conversation might have started.

Like I said, I don't often set out to offend or upset people and I certanly didn't mean to offend PC that day.
If he chooses to take my comments as offensive then that's more his problem than mine.

david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7943 Location: Essex

Well said Raymond but as you know on the internet people cannot HEAR you speak ,only read your words and if they do not know your particular way of expressing yourself they can get upset.

I know that because I have been slagged of on other forums myself when all I was trying to do was make an honest point based on my own experience.

I see it this way.

If you offend people and they get angry it probably means that they are basing their point on very sandy ground and when someone points that out and their house is about to collapse then they become firstly defencive and then aggressive and then sulky like a petulant child who cannot get their own way.

Yes you do sometimes come across as rude.

And that was the pot calling the Kettle black

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swanlady · Spirit Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 862 Location: s/wales

Who kicks off?? where??? when???
Never let It be said that Raymond loses his rag on here.

Kas · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject:

This was always going to happen knowing both.

Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

But that's just it Kas, nothing has happened!

In the few posts PC has posted I actually quite liked him and what he had to say. He didn't come across as a swivel-eyed lunatic (as others have done) and he sounded reasonably intelligent.

You've seen how I can kick off on here when that's my intention. Some of the rows with KJ and Tommy will have to go into the hall of fame, but I didn't once have the intention to 'kick off' with PC. I simply asked a question and expected an answer.

He chose to spit his dummy out.

Kas · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject:

On the original GHE, Mr Ex (PC) was always a very good admin and run a very good forum.
However, he was/is passionate about the paranormal and sometimes IMO slightly blinkered to other opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking him, in fact I quite looked forward to our daily discussion or if i'm honest, me laying bait and hoping he would take it so I could pin him down on one point that I knew we disagreed on!
He however very rarely took the bait and left me frustrated.

But it made for a great forum. Very different to what it is now in some ways but still I very good forum. I would say the best at the time.

But myself and Nic (Antnicuk) would always enjoy a good arguement.
In a slightly different way you have taken our places as the devils advocate of the forum.

So I knew you would always eventually clash with PC or (Mr Ex).
You both have very big opinions as posters. Both big personalities on the forum.

I however will sit back on my perch/fence and ridicule you both.

Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

Ahh, I wasn't aware of all that. It all makes a lot of sense now.

Why do people get so engrossed in their belief systems and how other people react to them?
I honestly couldn't give a tinker's cuss if people disagree with me - in fact, I encourage it.

Waffle King · Spirit Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 999 Location: Essex

My two cents if i may?

Raymond, i actually quite enjoy mosts of your posts, and your humour, but as for mentioned posts to Mr X, i did think you where being a tiny bit rude and impolite, but on the old GHE Mr X was a very good friend to me, never did me no wrong, that was HS's job, but he is a very passionate person and takes everything to heart, unlike you raymond, where you just brush it off with your exqusite humour, but i've not got a problem with anything, i just wanted to belong and share my oppinion for a change

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Sian · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject:

I'm with Waff here. I have no problems with anybody and am not interested in taking sides.

I think the world of PC/Mr Ex and also count him as a friend, plus he bought me chips and a pint or 2 and that never gets forgotten!

I think it's 50/50. Maybe Raymond was a little short with him, maybe he was a little touchy in return. Nothing major though as far as I can see

Bravo · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject:

Which was the post that caused offence? I can't find it
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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

Rude and impolite?

Ok. I know myself well enough to be able to say I can be slightly acidic from time to time.

If I'm honest, what really pisses me off is the fact that I wasn't looking for a fight with PC, Mr X, sticks and stones or whatever he calls himself - I genuinely wasn't.

In the past when I have been looking for a kick off (usually with KJ or Tommy) I've spent a lot of time thinking up truly spiteful things to say to them and even longer typing them up because I wanted the delivery and impact of what I was saying to bite as hard as they could,............ and the buggers completely ignored it.
Not only that, EVERYBODY completely ignored it.

Some of my best lines, as we speak are floating around on this forum somewhere and nobody will ever see them.

Come back KJ and Tommy.

Sian · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject:

We're all adults, I think a bit of gentle ribbing is just fine.

I didn't see one post that was offensive but a number of them were quite short and a little critical, impatient maybe on the subject of posting links etc. Personally I agree with Raymond, just posting a "read this" and a link is lazy and no way to start a discussion.

If that is the majority of your posts then the majority of replies are going to be short and impatient

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Bravo · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:

I see the humour in that, and I also agree that simply posting links is a bit lazy. A bit of enticement is needed at the very least.

By responding to the link and stating 'don't just post links' Raymond actually did more than most of us who opened the post, saw it was just a link and closed the post again. I know that's what I did.

Having said that, PC/S&S seems to be quite a popular chap and was certainly getting some topics started. It's a shame he took offence where (I believe) none was intended.

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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

No it wasn't.

And I must admit, when I open a post and see it's just a link I always close it again immediately.
If I wanted to watch videos all day I'd go on youtube, I want chat, comments, debates and arguments.
That's why I love coming here

evergreen · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject:

ha now its my turn...

I have was offended by Raymond in the long past what I did was take a step back and look at the post and his other posts and decided it wasn't about me at all but Raymond was just being Raymond... by that I mean he was expresses as he does and not meaning to be perhaps harsh or personal at all... so I learned very quickly Raymond could be trusted to speak his truth and I take my hat off to that .. I do too but I am someone who is a bit of a peace keeper so I watch how I word things... Raymond cuts to the chase that's the only difference ... th emaning behind it is the same but its dressed different;y and I'm not saying that my way is best ... it is most likely not

I like PC though I didn't get to know him very well and I could feel he was getting defensive so I attempted a few posts to temper the situation but he chose to go one way and ignore the fact that Raymond is like it with everyone .. not just certain people in particular...

Can I ask did someone delete posts from that thread because mine are missing an the ones I was responding to are also...???
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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

I hope they haven't been deleted. That was my main problem over on Seekers Of Arseholes.

The bottom line in all of this is I just love being at the centre of a good drama - even when I don't intentionally start it.

I'm happy!

david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7943 Location: Essex

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david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7943 Location: Essex

Funny thing is that I met his mother and she related the same experience at a different time witnessed by both her and a visiting friend.

These were not orbs but what I would call Earth Lights and having met the lady I didn't think she is lying.

She may be but I doubt it especially as I have seen the same phenomena myself in Rendlesham Forest together with a dozen other witnesses.
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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

'Earth Lights', I'm sure are completely feesable. I would be more inclined to call them elementals - but that's a different conversation.

I've never seem them myself but have met people who have, and as with all these things they seem perfectly normal, sane people. So I have no reason to think they're lying.

I haven't yet met anyone who told me these lights were bouncing around their washing lines though.

How is 7thgen by the way? Have they "sealed off" the garden yet?

evergreen · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:38 am Post subject:

I understand Davids point... it takes all kinds to walk this planet all kind otherwise we would all be the same and yuck that would be terrible....

the idea of being tolerant in itself smells of being superiour.. 7thgen is young and eager and is really really wanting to learn, he is not going to listen to everything we say he is going to say things we don't agree with and that is just as it should be
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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5375

Very true, but there is a line between 'young and eager' and 'stupid'.

Waffle King is young and (sometimes) eager, but he certainly isn't stupid.