Now what amazes me is how she gets the nerve to scream 'rape' when she goes for a drink after midnight with 2 perfect strangers! Getting what she asked for is more like it. _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
Now what amazes me is how she gets the nerve to scream 'rape' when she goes for a drink after midnight with 2 perfect strangers! Getting what she asked for is more like it.
Does,nt NO mean NO, does,nt matter where to or with who or what time.
NO is NO in any language.
The lady got raped and the barstards were caught thank god.
Does,nt matter if she was the biggest slapper this side of Britain.
Rape is rape.
No means no but really has no meaning after you heat the fire. You lay your bed so lie in it. _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
No means no but really has no meaning after you heat the fire. You lay your bed so lie in it.
Does,nt matter if the fire is poked and its a roaring inferno. The second the word No is uttered, everything stops.
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unfortunately you cannot stop the laws of nature. Let a chicken walk in front of a hungry lion and see what happens. I bet the lion will let the chicken go if the chicken asks him to. _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
unfortunately you cannot stop the laws of nature. Let a chicken walk in front of a hungry lion and see what happens. I bet the lion will let the chicken go if the chicken asks him to.
Humans are supposed to be the intelligent creatures.
Like I said NO is No.
I really don't want to wade into this argument because I can see both sides.
The other week when Jordan said she had been raped everybody (and I mean EVERYBODY) I know said the same thing; if you look, dress or act like a slut, you will be treated like one.
On the other hand, as a victim of rape myself, of course no should mean no.
its like many things in life that people have opinions on.. until it happens to them they often can not understand...
rape is not about what the woman or man wears its about the power and control and abuse the rapist inflicts on the victim.... end of story
do you meat to say that if some bloke tried it on you because he had an itch then it is ok even if you don't want it for him to go ahead because after all you bad thing you are looking so good to him and he just cant' help himself.. _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
No of course not, but you have to admit, with some women it goes a little beyond just the clothes they wear.
She women, and you must have seen them EG, behave like nothing but tarts on a night out.
I'm not saying that because of that they deserve to get raped, nobody deserves to get raped, but if you behave in that manner it stands to reason that certain men are going to think you're a certain kind of woman, then if she suddenly says 'No No No' after basically laying it on a plate, the now aroused man will get angry.
What's the only outcome?
but if you behave in that manner it stands to reason that certain men are going to think you're a certain kind of woman, then if she suddenly says 'No No No' after basically laying it on a plate, the now aroused man will get angry.
What's the only outcome?
The now aroused man will get the message loud and clear. He will walk away the second the word NO is uttered.
as long as we trial the victims instead of the rapists ... people not not speak of their experiences of rape... _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
no is no... so are these men victims to their animal instincts???
why is she wrong for trusting and them not wrong for raping.. ?
COME ON !!!!???
I think they are equally wrong. _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
do you meat to say that if some bloke tried it on you because he had an itch then it is ok even if you don't want it for him to go ahead because after all you bad thing you are looking so good to him and he just cant' help himself..
This is not about the itch, it is about a single woman at 1 in the morning going FOR A DRINK with 2 perfect strangers!!! This is WRONG!!!! Of course they are scum and need to be punished, but like I said, don't make yourself look like an innocent virgin when you go for DRINKS with unknown men in the night. And considering this... who knows if she really said no??? She might have been so drunk by then. Or maybe she said yes to one but found herself 'raped' by both.
Anyway, she was in the wrong too. _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
but if you behave in that manner it stands to reason that certain men are going to think you're a certain kind of woman, then if she suddenly says 'No No No' after basically laying it on a plate, the now aroused man will get angry.
What's the only outcome?
The now aroused man will get the message loud and clear. He will walk away the second the word NO is uttered.
That's debatable as the now aroused man might be too drunk to care. And he can claim that in court too, can't he? _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
Don't get me wrong! Rapists should be strung up by their nuts.
But if you leave your front door wide open you can't start crying because you've been burgled.
totally agree. _________________ Magic Is. That’s all, it just is. We don’t have to create it, we simply have to find it. But where do we look? Within, first, last and always; look within.
so now its wrong to go for a drink with strangers... how does anyone get anywhere in life with these rules...??
maybe she was guilty of being naive???
last time I heard that was not a crime - steep learning curve
so chances are you have never been raped Diane.. with such strong judgments on this? _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
No of course not, but you have to admit, with some women it goes a little beyond just the clothes they wear.
She women, and you must have seen them EG, behave like nothing but tarts on a night out.
I'm not saying that because of that they deserve to get raped, nobody deserves to get raped, but if you behave in that manner it stands to reason that certain men are going to think you're a certain kind of woman, then if she suddenly says 'No No No' after basically laying it on a plate, the now aroused man will get angry.
What's the only outcome?
I know that Raymond.. but the truth of the matter is ... and you know this yourself man ..... it is never ok
Some people think smiling at them is a come on... _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
1)Rape is wrong
2)Even if she wasn't "raped" and still pleaded it, she'd win the court case
3)1am drinks with total strangers is, a wee bit wrong.
4)drinking affects judgement, so she might not of even been raped in the first place
5)I really can't see either side, for i am the only 18yo, Hormoned filled teenager, who doesn't actully have a sex drive, so either way, everyones right _________________ I give you, the Waffle King
How about you actually read the report the men said they raped her numerous times....... she was lost in a city she was visiting ... they robbed her .. she was screaming... what more do we need to say...
it is very hard to convict someone of rape there needs to be a lot of evidence...
The story is as follows ..... :)
Two men have been jailed for raping a New Zealand backpacker in a brutal attack near Buckingham Palace.
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The terrified 20-year-old told London's Southwark Crown Court she was sure she would die during the sustained and vicious assault.
She had missed the last tube and was heading home on a night bus when she met self-confessed ringleader Ismail Acar, 21, and Callem Fearnehough, also 21.
She accepted a drink from them and then accompanied the pair to St James's Park, where she was subjected to the traumatic sexual attack.
As her "nightmare" unfolded, the pair took turns to rape her, the court heard.
"I can just remember crying and wailing 'please, please stop'," she told the jury.
Her first attempt to escape was foiled when she was quickly caught and her handbag taken.
Not long afterwards she made another dash for freedom, this time successfully, but had to abandon some of her clothing at the scene.
She ran to the end of the Mall, spotted a security guard barrier placed in readiness for last year's Olympic Handover ceremony and begged for help.
The pair were arrested near the scene.
Acar, of Six Acres Estate, Finsbury Park, north London, was jailed for 13 years.
He admitted three counts of rape on August 25 last year, one of assault by penetration and one of robbery.
Fearnehough, who lives on the same estate, was jailed for 10 years after being found guilty of two rape counts and the robbery.
Sentencing the pair, Judge Nicholas Loraine-Smith said: "This was a sustained and brutal attack by two men on a frail young woman.
"She was in her own words screaming and wailing all the time, and when she did run away, she was caught and brought back by one or other of you."
In a victim impact statement read to the court, the woman said: "This traumatic experience has changed my life forever and changed the lives of my family and I feel bad about that."
She added: "I went from being someone outgoing and who enjoyed life to someone who found it difficult to cope being around strangers." _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
personally i amazed it doesnt happen more often.i am not a prude in any way but most of the girls round here go out with very short skirts and their tits out (bloody marvellous) and somehow all manage to look like prozzies after spending hours getting ready!
But i think it shows that a lot of people do not respect others-they also think that they can do what they like.......
this girl didnt ask to be attacked and even if she was drinking with strangers then that is no justification.
having said that i have seen some girls that get so drunk they just havent a clue what they are doing..........i guess its all part of growing up as i used to do it myself ..one of my ex's broke her elbow on one occassion-her nose on another which gave her a big horizontal scar (and she was a very good looking girl) and also fell asleep on a bench in victoria park (london) and someone stole her shoes!
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