Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: Three Fold Law
Not being Wiccan, I don't particularly prescribe to the idea of the Three Fold Law as they see it.
However, I do believe in cause and effect.
What do other Witches think - is this something that only a Gardinarian or Alexandrian believe or do other folk adhere to this principle too? _________________ Pagan Pride: The God and The Goddess Rock!
The Threefold Law is Wiccan, and I'm not Wiccan, nor even wiccan - there is a distinction, you see.
But - there are many variations on this theme: You reap what you sow, and What goes around, comes around being two of them.
These two I have found to be totally irrefutable. Everything in known existence is cyclical, both seen and unseen. Even the Earth is constantly revolving, but we don't get giddy! So that's a given. Then, as you say, Taz, there's the law of cause and effect: every cause has an effect, and every effect has a cause. That's also a given. The cyclic nature of everything is there to be observed, from the vast to the minute. Therefore, it logically follows that our actions, thoughts or words - which are all composed of energy - once put out 'there' - will certainly find their way back to us sooner or later. It's just the same as circumnavigating the earth - eventually you end up right back where you started.
So it is therefore completely logical to me to suppose that whatever energy we put out, whether positive or negative, will indubitably 'return to sender' and probably whack us on the back of the head when we least expect it. I've seen it happen, and I believe it totally.
This is nothing to do with the favourite Christian threat of 'Do as you're told, or God will punish you and you'll burn in Hell', or some such nonsence - it's the way the Universe works, and has done since the beginning of time.
Why, thank you Mr Hobbs.
Yep, I am one of those Witches who can't abide the PC carry on re hunting and GM foods.
I usually end up being told I'm not a 'proper' Witch as I wear leather, eat meat and don't agree with the ban on hunting and townies telling country folk what to do.
I'm a disgrace: I'll end up getting de-wanded one day if I'm not careful...
_________________ Pagan Pride: The God and The Goddess Rock!
Hmm......if disgraced priests are defrocked, then disgraced witches must be ordered to put their clothes on..................
My take on the law of cause and effect has nothing to do with a religious standpoint, David. For me, it's logical to think that way and therefore isn't anything to do with religion. It's just what makes the most sense to me, not because it's someone else's dogma.
Put clothes ON???
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Oh the shame of not being able to 'work' skyclad............still, at least I'd have somewhere less uncomfortable to put my wand.....
_________________ Pagan Pride: The God and The Goddess Rock!
So how do you feel when you get bad thoughts knowing that thoughts are energy as is everything and that you are going to be blasted for having those bad thoughts.
Wiccans can be all love and light sometimes: I'm not a Wiccan so it doesn't apply as far as I am concerned.
If I had to do something that other people thought was wrong, in order to protect me and mine then I would.
In a heartbeat.
I would not hesitate to deal with something that was causing or might cause harm.
You could say that many things go against the Three Fold Law: I really don't think that the Witches/Wise Folk of old went about worrying about this kind of thing.
It's another example of Uncle Gerald and his 'elder writings'
Cause and effect from a scientific perspective, that I can relate to and I agree that you reap what you sow but it's nothing to do with being good....just in case!
_________________ Pagan Pride: The God and The Goddess Rock!
Nope, not at all.
A responsible practitioner rarely acts in a knee jerk manner and I would exhaust mundane options before considering magickal ones.....the majority of the time.
For instance, if I thought some old trout was showing a bit too much interest in my old man I would deal with it in the usual time honoured manner. If after doing this she was still sniffing about I would use magick to send her packing. That doesn't mean I would harm her - that's where people get it wrong: magick does not HAVE to involve hurting a person as there are a multitude of methods of working to get a required result.
If however someone wad actively seeking to harm someone, ie drugs, abuse, threats of violence, causing serious distress etc then I would not hesitate to use magick to stop them. Again, you don't HAVE to use magick to harm them, there are plenty of things that can be done without resorting to that.
I suppose for me it depends on the reason and it comes down to cause and effect again. An old teacher of mine used to say 'if in doubt, do nowt but if you're sure let the magick roar'.
That's one of the reasons I object to newbies jumping straight in without any kind of substance behind them. The majority probably wouldn't be able to raise a smile let alone raise and direct the energies needed but some might and without some kind of magickal compass to guide them they could cause problems that other people then have to undo.
Cause and effect.... _________________ Pagan Pride: The God and The Goddess Rock!
I enjoyed reading that as it makes sense but the question was related to thought ie thinking bad thougts, and not doing bad deeds.
Do we get it back if we just think about doing bad things. After all I have read here many times that thoughts are living things and to me the begining of everything including majic it thought.
Why would anyone think badly of you?!
In my opinion, for what it's worth, I think that if someone focuses their mind on sending out a negative thought then there can be an effect.
However, I don't personally believe that thoughts that pop in and out of our heads, randomly or not, have the same effect.
I might be having a chat with my Mum and get momentarily irritated and that thought is then out there. I don't think that would have an effect. There again I might be sitting talkng to that old trout I mentioned earlier and be thinking something unpleasant and if I kept focusing on it I think it would hang about rather than disperse: that could potentially have an entirely different result.
As I said though, this is only my take on it!!
_________________ Pagan Pride: The God and The Goddess Rock!
Well your take is as good as anyones in fact I would go so far as to say that your take almost reaches my own lofty standards so well done for a girly wirly.
Now whats she thinking and will it bounce back and give her a head ache?
Any 'witch' who abides by these silly rules isn't really a witch at all. I don't know what they are but they certainly are not a witch.
This three-fold law thing is silly. Not to mention simplistic and childish. Do something bad and it will come back three times, who ever made up such a thing? Oh yeah, Gerald Gardner.
Life's too short to worry about the outcome of your actions and worry if bad things are going to happen to you as a result of them, NEWS FLASH!!! Bad things will happen to you anyway.
So do whatever you have to do to get the things you want and to always get your own way.
Too bad if you step on other people's toes along the way, they should learn the craft too them they would know how to stop you, if they don't know - tough!
Trouble is, a great many pagans and witches think his words are graven in stone and that Uncle Gerald's way is the Only True Way. Thus some Wiccans can be as bad as Christians for dogma.
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