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Antnicuk · Ghost Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 115

If you suffer from winter blues or you're down in the dumps, apparently meditation is the way to go.

And the tiny article at the bottom made me smile - nothing like a bit of alternative medicine.

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Diana · Ghost Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 337 Location: London

If you're down in the dumps I am afraid meditation is going to deepen the trance and there's no way you can cheer up. Go out, breathe, live and remember to feel in the here and now.
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david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7946 Location: Essex

Suppose that you are looking for the reasons that you are down in the dumps by using meditation?

Would that work?
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david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7946 Location: Essex

What do you base your idea on Diana?

Why would meditation not work if you are depressed?
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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5379

I have to say, I don't really know what depression is, but if I were depressed the last thing I would want is some Cornish prick telling me to open my chakras and go for an imaginary walk in a beautiful glade. Sod that, pass me the prozac!!!

evergreen · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:25 am Post subject:

well speaking as some one who turned her life around with a routine of mediation... it works...

... I don;'t go round and round in circles when 'i meditate .... maybe you need a new form of meditation ..

meditation is all about learning about you.. about learning how to shift our energy to help you feel better

i totally agree getting out doors and moving and increasing your vibrations is the way to go... and yet meditation is also a fantastic tool
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david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7946 Location: Essex

As usual Evergreen you know what you are talking about.

Meditations are as varied as are people and if you work closely with the individual and tailor the work to their specific needs then they are always benificial unless of course the person in question really doesn't want to be helped, and I have met some people like that. They wallow in their problems and make a career out of them.

I don't bother with them anymore.
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beantighe · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject:

Raymond, if you don't know what depression is, then you can count yourself very fortunate.

I've been prone to it for most of my life, and I can assure you it's no joke. Luckily I'm happy now, so I don't get it nearly so often.

Personally, I'd much rather meditate than pop pills, as they're only like a plaster to mask something much more serious, and can have serious side-effects of their own - addiction, for one. Besides, I don't trust them and I don't like putting unnecessary chemicals into me, because then the pills take control, and that scares the hell out of me.

I was once given anti-depressants by the doctor many years ago. I read the enclosed leaflet with the list of possible side-effects with mounting horror, including the statement that they might make me feel worse for up to 2 weeks before I began to feel better. As there was no way I wanted to feel any worse, I chucked the lot away without taking any. Anyway, I didn't want pills - what I really needed at the time was a friend to talk to.

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evergreen · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:15 am Post subject:

well some people do get depressed. often they are very hard on themselves.... and some people do need a kick up the bum... Big Grin

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Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5379

A lot of it is mamby-pamby though Evergreen.

I saw a bloke yesterday outside the Salvation Army. He was every inch the classic 'tramp'.

His feet were coming out of his shoes, there were holes in his clothes big enough to climb through and he stank to high heaven. He was picking up all fag butts from the floor and smoking them.

If anybody has the right to be 'depressed' it's him. But he was a cheerful as the day is long.

As far as I'm concerned, if you wake up each morning in a bed and you know where the day's food is coming from, you have absolutely no reason to be depressed.

beantighe · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:22 am Post subject:

Oh Raymond, you really don't understand, do you? Like I said, if you've never experienced depression, you really are very lucky, you know.

Depression is an illness, it can strike anyone at any time in their lives, even though they may outwardly have no reason to be depressed. And the very worst thing you can say to someone with this condition is 'Pull yourself together'. Sufferers would love to, but they can't.

No-one chooses to be depressed, just as no-one chooses to be gay.
It's just something a person has no control over. They really can't help it.

Raymond · Avatar Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 5379

Like you say, maybe it's something that has to be experienced to be understood.

evergreen · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:50 am Post subject:

I think it is something that has to be experienced to be understood properly.. going round and round in circles talking about issues isn't always helpful to these people either... there have to be a range of things that help different people...

There is a vast difference between being down and out and being depressed... that "tramp" Raymond may have had no cares in the world.. an he is happy depression isn't just for people who have nothing it strikes all randomly no matter what your circumstances
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meiah · Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject:

As someone who has been depressed, I can say meditation does help. To have that break from yourself, to see things from outside of your self, is a great tool.

Medication also gives you that break, but not the insight.

Both stop you going round and round things in your head.

And Raymond, you are right in so many ways. To focus on the simple things that are right, is a great tool in seeing though the things that are too much. The secret is to do that every day, not when those things are the ONLY thing that is right.
It causes a change of mindset to one where you see the good and right. Depression is one where you cannot see past the wrong or bad.

It is all-encompassingly awful, an absolute.

Hence, not being depressed is the only way out of depression. Try saying that to someone who can see nothing else. It is simply not possible to be anything but depressed........apart from not being depressed.

david hobbs · Avatar Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 7946 Location: Essex

It seems that both meditation and depression is a focusing of the mind upon a state of being.

A kind of narrowing down of perspective and it depends on the make up of the individual as to how they can or cannot control it.

We choose what the focus is to be for ourselves perhaps?

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