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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi dave......

well it seems to me that the human race has gone wrong.......

So does that mean that you have to, ask yourself who is suffering the pain from this thought of your's,  You are, and only you.

we are at the top of the food chain.yet we cut down everything and make deserts ie u.s dust bowl and we poison our seas and skies........

That is right Billy and we shall reap what we have sown perhaps we are simply parasitic but due to our arrogant nature we just haven't realised it yet.

the Buddhists say that we have an innate goodness (our spirit).....which is pure......

some would say that our spirit just watches the game idly........

Our spirit creates the game it is of the one spirit and therefore it could
be no other way



humanity seems to be captured by a madness with knee jerk reactions and hatred and beliefs in fantasy novels.we are led astray from an early age and whether we see it or not,we are programmed by conventional thinking.

And we are given the amazing gift of life to make our own realisations.  These realisations can be assisted by observing life in a detached way and not buying into it.  We may use our lives to create a world of horrors or a world that we enjoy to the full.


shamanisn etc shows us a way to experience things for ourselves,free from dogma. yet oddly enough the prevailing powers whether they be Christians,Muslims etc always yelled witch or blasphemer etc to stamp their own brand of tyranny upon the proles.......

Shamanism teaches us above all that reality is just not real.  So why buy into an illusion.  That is not to say that you should not live a life doing things both right and wrong enjoy the ride because it is not a rehearsal

as i see things we are headed for a massive upheaval in the west......
and it wont be pretty.we  have allowed the madness to get out of control .
So- we all have a spirit? if so it must be incredibly strong as it is from the source? yet we as people are incredibly weak.......

You are associating the material with the spiritual here.  The spirit has no agenda.  The mind creates one.


some say that we come to earth to experience life because a spirit cannot do many things ie eat food..........
yet as we are so weak it just seems to me that we have exchanged one prison for another.

What makes you think that there is anywhere to come to or depart from


without going on too much it just seems to me that we haven't evolved at all in thousands of years. sure we have the web and planes etc yet people have been setting themselves up as deities for millenia and the sheep just follow.whether believing in Mohamed or Manson .

Evolution is to be made within us within this thing that we call a lifetime, this is the evolution of the spirit.  Your's and mine.
Not that they are separate of course.  Evolution is another illusion.  How cal the one evolve.  But we little sparks of the one can evolve our understanding of what we are.


as we do not live in a modern global shambala then as far as i can see then there is nothing to be gained from trusting any of the gurus as they seem to have agendas which do not include our benefit or health whatsoever- although they assure us daily that they are doing everything for us..........

Just keep on feeling the pain Billy.

so who to trust? a true shaman will show you the way without reward.
in our every day life it seems that there is always an ulterior MOTIVE behind the actions of those that want to 'help' us.......


[i]And their motives are of their minds and not of their spirit.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow dave..........that is possibly the best and most sensible post you have ever made..........

i am not neccessarily in pain.....

but my poor little human mind cant work out what the whole bloody point of it is?

i do mostly just watch- just view the 'isness'.......

having experienced 'the space' i have felt the ecstasy-yet 99.9999999999999999999999 % of my time is spent in this 'reality'.........

i recently told you about a meditation where i was just like a fish swimming round and round.........well i am in a rut.....i know that-but now it seems my own spirit is taking the piss!

i firmly believe that certain things happened to me in my life to make me look beyond the material/visible world......

but if it is all an illusion then why not make a version where things are better? most of the religions tell us or demand that we essentially live as 'good' people............we are supposedly intelligent beings yet stupity,hysteria,greed and hatred run rife...................

so i guess the crux of the matter is this:

what i cannot 'get' is that we are all connected - by something pure and strong..............yet i dont see many of us who are strong ,unbending and striving to live lives full of valour and wonder ?(not everyone of course)

i think i have only ever met one person who was sooooooooo happy to be alive and loved every single minute.................he worked as a bomb disposal officer in ww2 so i guess he was grateful for every second he survived afterwards?

but there is just a general malaise .............
where i live now most of the people are piss artists or nutters-all sitting around just waiting to die........

so where is the glory? the shining light of spirit?

perhaps i have borrowed these ideas from somewhere else?
perhaps the futilty of life is something i should never have pondered?

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in the bhagavad gita krishna says to arjuna who is just about to have to fight and kill his cousins in a battle (and he doesnt want to do that).......

' i am in bondage-therefore you and all the others are in bondage-you have to do your duty'.........

so basically krishna is saying that you are all my playthings........and you are therefore stuffed!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you focus on grows.. if you do not trust you will not see trust around you



I don't buy into the  idea that you are just a human- that is belittling and insignificant and it is an excuse...  it removes you from the responsibility of being as fantastic as you are..

who are you not to be great and powerful who are you to allow fear to limit you..  what are you scared of ? are you scared of being the outstanding one among others or are you afraid of shining so bright you can on longer see the darkness you now hold on to so tightly

you are a person and with all that humanity you have all the power in this world .. and beyond



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