[By the way the church is St Mary's at Prittlewell in Essex]
OOOOO! I wish I'd known about this years ago,
My aunt Win got married in this church in 1961. I went to the wedding but didn't even look at the windows,unusual for me! I have always been interested in the Arthurian legend and the Knights Templars and have long thought there was a connection between the two.
My family were Huguenots,and my married name comes directly from the Knights Templars.
first recorded use of the name, a Knight Templar called Hugh de Baldoca (”Hugh of Baldock”) in 1185.
Tell us more David,if you can. _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
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So say a kind word when you can.
Took the words out of my mouth!
I can see a similarity in David.s pic. and the one referred to here.
Perhaps the Americans had a hand in the making of the windows?
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First Committee's Reverse Side of the Great Seal [pic. in next post!]
In the story of America's Great Seal, a particularly relevant chapter is the imagery suggested by Benjamin Franklin in August 1776. He chose the dramatic scene described in Exodus, where people confronted a tyrant in order to gain their freedom.
"Pharaoh sitting in an open Chariot, a Crown on his head and a Sword in his hand, passing through the divided Waters of the Red Sea in Pursuit of the Israelites: Rays from a Pillar of Fire in the Cloud, expressive of the divine Presence and Command, beaming on Moses who stands on the shore and extending his hand over the Sea causes it to overwhelm Pharaoh."
"Motto: Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."
reverse of the great seal. _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
I have spotted something else!!!!!!!!!1 The fellow on the right hand side on the ground is holding a staff? and at the top is the star/crescent moon symbol..
The star and crescent originally was a symbol used by the Zhou Dynasty, Greeks, Mongol-Turkic (Mongol Empire) and Persians among others. It was used for the city of Byzantium in pre-Christian times and then more widely in the Hellenistic world.
Now used by Islam..
The plot thickens
Surely there is some reference to the windows in the church record books? _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
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Could it be something to do with the Crusades? A propaganda image of Christianity crushing Islam? Of course, a lot depends on how old these windows are.
I'm certain it's masonic, the longer I look at the windows.
Beantighe They can't be to do with the crusades, because they look like C19th copies of renaissance windows ! _________________
This one is interesting because we are already talking about French connections and I was told that this widow was originaly in a church in France. It is I believe the oldest window at St Marys and I have no idea what any of the scenes depict. Fancy going to the trouble of shipping the window all that way.
Well I think the Templar and the Freemason connections are not in doubt having found this picture in my collection. from St Marys. Hunter is this splayed white cross the Knights Hospitilars decendents of the Knights Templar.
There are astrological signs in more than one window I seem to remember. I must go back and get more information.
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That's definitely a Templar cross David, but why inversed white on red ?
I have no idea and it is far from being the only anomalie. Again you need to look closer. The splayed cross is on the mans shoulder. . It need to be blown up to be seen properly. I take it that you noticed in the same window written into the glass Solomon builder of the temple. Take a closer look. Here are both things are in the same window. _________________ Please visit our main site
I'm lost on the techy side, I'm afraid, David. I don't know how to do that.
Just right click and a box will appear. Click on save in, my pictures.
You can then look at them in my pictures and with the use of the magnifying tool you can take a closer look. It's worth the hassel _________________ Please visit our main site
This one is interesting because we are already talking about French connections and I was told that this widow was originaly in a church in France. It is I believe the oldest window at St Marys and I have no idea what any of the scenes depict. Fancy going to the trouble of shipping the window all that way.
Well I think the Templar and the Freemason connections are not in doubt having found this picture in my collection. from St Marys. Hunter is this splayed white cross the Knights Hospitilars decendents of the Knights Templar.
There are astrological signs in more than one window I seem to remember. I must go back and get more information.
If you have not already done it copy these pictures into my pictures and blow them up and you will see what I mean.
I see the good old Essex coat of arms in the left hand piccy, on the second picture, and on the right,Southend;a then underneath on the leftis what appears to be an Elizabethan manor house,bit like Arreton! though I know most of them look the same.Does it say on the window where those places are? _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
Bottom left is the Mayor of Southends lodge in Southend on Sea. I am going to a wedding reception there later in the year. What a great opportunity to look for clues and I shall be taking my camera.
Bottom right is a view of St Marys church in days gone by. The same St Marys that the windows are in.
I wish I could get some good shots of the Astrological signs in some of the windows because I do know that for some reason one of then is out of sequence.
I shall see what can be done and another snag is that I know nothing of Astrology.
To move the story on a little.
My friend and I used to look for Ley Lines and he was charting one and said that there should be a stone in a certain spot in Hockley Essex. We went to the exact spot which was outside an old cottage called Holly Cottage.
I looked over the tall hedge and saw a huge standing stone which I pointed out to Terry. It's in the wrong place he said, he was a perfectionist and the ley was a long one. Just then the owner of the cottage came put to ask what we were doing. We told him the story and he told us that we were correct in our calculations. The stone was exactly in the spot that we had charted and he moved it because it kept hitting the exhaust on his motor car. He had even given the stone a name. The Venus Stone.
Even more intriguing is the fact that Terry had worked out that a series of land sites over a large area in the landscape formed what appeared to be the same layout as the star constelation, The great bear. The venus stone is dead centre of the landscape constelation Bear is srongly connected to the name Arthur. In fact someone told me that Arthur meant bear.
Good Eh.
I am really spilling the beans here but my ex friend is such a lazy sod that this story will never come out.
There is lots more to it but my math is rubbish. Its all to do with the speed of light.
could we attach a video camera to a pole david,to get the height to see these astrology signs
You would need an aircraft. They are not signs but sites marked by ancient stones and churches etc. The same things that you use to chart Ley Lines. The site runs for quite a few miles. _________________ Please visit our main site
Remenber me putting pictures of a gold ring on a while back and I was trying to locate the meaning of the symbols on it.
I JUST FOUND SOME OF THEM.
I printed off a picture of the constellation Ursa Major that I found on a website. I just noticed some really small symbols by some of the stars making up the constelatiom and looked at them through a jewellers eye glass.
Remenber me putting pictures of a gold ring on a while back and I was trying to locate the meaning of the symbols on it.
I JUST FOUND SOME OF THEM.
I printed off a picture of the constellation Ursa Major that I found on a website. I just noticed some really small symbols by some of the stars making up the constelatiom and looked at them through a jewellers eye glass.
They are the same symbols as on the ring.
HELP!!!!!!
Hold on i'm having me dinner be back l8tr,I love astrology,the signs on the ring are such. _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
No Mate it's Astrolonomical not Astrological. There is a huge difference. I spent months searching Astrology amd freemasonary and every bloody ology you can think of.
I think that you me and Anne need to get out into the landscape very soon.
There is a thirteenth zodiac sign! zodiac signs are actually zodiacal constellations which the sun passes through them during the course of the year. Even though the sun passed though Ophiuchus, it is not counted as a proper zodiac sign. Some theories were that the number 13 was considered as unlucky in the western world, thus it was not added in. Other official explanation was that Ophiuchus was not in the natural southerly path of the 12 major constellations thus it is awkward to promote it as part of natural universal precession.
When the Queen bestows the Order of the Garter on a commoner she wears a cloak with 169 (13 x 13) identical decorated silk garters on it, representing the ancient fact, to those who know, that the monarch is the titular head of the major thirteen covens of Logres, the head of the ancient faith, as well as the titular head of the Church of England. Logres is the name given to the spiritual Britain. You can feel Logres in Glastonbury and other sacred places in Britain. Thirteen is very important to the feminine side of occult work.
How does thirteen apply to the Zodiac of the magazines? Well, the Zodiac is defined in astronomy as the belt of starry constellations through which the Sun, Moon and planets seem to move. It is the starry background of their journeys. But the smallest number of constellations that are defined under that very ancient scheme is not 12. It is actually 13.
Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer is and always has been the 13th constellation on the zodiac belt, but apparently nobody has ever initiated his sign as a member of the Zodiac, possibly because then there wouldn't have been a convenient one constellation for each of the twelve months of the solar calendar year.
The signs on that ring are Western zodiac signs
from l-r. Pisces Aries,Taurus
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I have spotted something else!!!!!!!!!1 The fellow on the right hand side on the ground is holding a staff? and at the top is the star/crescent moon symbol..
