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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: trust Reply with quote

why do we trust certain people?

is it a cultural thing? a hangover from the 19th century?

why do we doff our caps to others?
in the first world war the proles were told it would be over by christmas......

when we go to visit a doctor why do we just accept what they say?

harold shipman seeemed like a nice bloke.

or why do people trust politicians ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it an authority thing..  nothing to do with trust.. all to do with just believe others in authority....

Not everyone trusts blindly Billy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi e/g...........of course not everyone trusts..........

but it seems that the vast majority are lemmings..........

people in their millions trusted lenin,mao,hitler.........

nearly half of the u.s voted for george bush jr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so why dont we question others MOTIVES (one for the occultists there) before complying?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that people dont 'put a lot of thought into things=generally....

they also don't take responsibility ...  thus they don't look into things because they don't see it as something that will effect them
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people can't be bothered jumping at their own shadow every 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it does tend to be the older generation that seem to blindly believe what people in authority say! my mother is a perfect example .... for years she has been ill with one thing or another... the doctor in the end saying to her ...well it's just your age!!?!! it was only when i interved (i'm a nurse, and quite used to drs blag) that things started to get done... she has now been properly diagnosed and sadly has missed the boat for any treatment.
  i have taught my girls to think for themselves and question everything!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people just like to find something to moan about.

Your comments Billy really are sweeping generalisations. It's all about the individual.

Take my current GP as an example, he's useless. I wouldn't trust him to look after my goldfish, the GP I had before him was a miricle worker. I literally did trust him with my life.

Same goes for politicians and all people in authority. I don't accept that all of them are dodgy (many are, I agree) but not all.

And you have to ask yourself, if you were in their position would you really be any different?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link below is to one of my favourite songs
The song questions the way we follow and believe things we are told.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLvcJ4I1mw
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's just a case of it being easier to accept what an authority figure says than go to the trouble of questioning them.

I am thinking that people assume that someone in authority has got themselves there and so must be up to the job?

Perhaps the majority of members on here don't think that way because we all have a slightly different way of viewing things. We have open, questioning minds and are searching for answers and explanations, that's why we're here. Most people are happy to plod along in their bubble.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raymond......why is it that you always miss the point?


also....please  explain 'motive' as an occultist
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billy nomates wrote:
raymond......why is it that you always miss the point?


Mostly because your posts are usually political rants and they bore me like you wouldn't believe.


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also....please  explain 'motive' as an occultist


Please explain the question.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look at the world of order and trust in a strange light, question what you don't know, correct what you do know, and if you've got no idea pay someone who gives a toss to care about it for you, cos if you don't care, it don't matter.

God i love being a strange human being
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

raymond.........

firstly this is NOT your site.

secondly,i am asking questions about people or life in general.
we aren't all hysterical gobshites like yourself.

thirdly, if you don't like my posts then don't read them or reply to them.


oh and finally.............fuck off!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did I say it was my site?

It's definately not my site. If it were, wankers like you wouldn't last 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting question Billy.

Why do we trust some people as if it where their god given right to be trusted.

Perhaps it starts at home by trusting our parents and then at school by trusting our teachers and then we trust those history books that we learn form so I do see what you mean, or at least I think I do.

Accepting what we are taught is so automatic that most of the time we do not question it.

In America for instance 25% of the population believe that Dinosaurs where created 6000 years ago and some even believe that people rode about on them.

So how much do we think we know because we automatically trust the source which is in fact wrong?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although i'm only speaking about blind trust, maybe its just too much effort for some people to think for themselves thus they blindly trust people in authority. Could also be the comfort factor.

For lack of a better term, "normal trust" is usually earned, just think about work colleagues, there are some that have proven themselves time and time again to be trustworthy and reliable while others are just lazy useless twats which you wouldn't trust with a pencil never mind your life. lol
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I don't agree with the idea that people are to lazy to think for themselves, I think that they just do not realise that there is an alternative.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dave- from a shamanic point of view we all have our own power.

or in crowleys terms we are all 'stars' with our own course to follow.......

yet many are prepared to just accept someones word-
and obey blindly.......

why do we want to believe?
is it in our nature or are we coersed by 'society' into believing things?

ie (rather simply) someone with a suit on is a trustworthy fellow?

as 4 the yanks there are something like 100 m of them that believe in 'the rapture'...........jesus christ is coming back to earth on spaceships to take them all away!!!!!ffs!!!!

so how does some crazy notion like that 'infect' 100m souls?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a funny story..............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-police-consider-fraud-probe.html

shows how gullible 'experts' are.........one would have thought that the theoretical value might have been checked first?



the comments are even funnier...there are so many nutters around!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dave- from a shamanic point of view we all have our own power.

or in Crowley's terms we are all 'stars' with our own course to follow.......

yet many are prepared to just accept someones word-
and obey blindly.......

why do we want to believe?
is it in our nature or are we coerced by 'society' into believing things?

ie (rather simply) someone with a suit on is a trustworthy fellow?

as 4 the yanks there are something like 100 m of them that believe in 'the rapture'...........jesus Christ is coming back to earth on spaceships to take them all away!!!!!ffs!!!!

so how does some crazy notion like that 'infect' 100m souls?


Well as I said before having seen what I have in life I take nothing as a given regarding science religion and all and everything that experts proclaim to be fact.

As stars or points of consciousness we should only trust our self and the best information you can receive is self given in meditation.

On an everyday level trust is belief and belief is an illusion.

Tell a baby from day one that the world is a giant easter egg and that child will believe it.

Surely the whole reason for this forum and the occult is self awareness, but many don't even realise that as yet.

There must be a reason that you are asking this question so if you give that reason then perhaps a clearer understanding can be made because this is a question with many many different layers to it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi dave......

well it seems to me that the human race has gone wrong.......

we are at the top of the food chain.yet we cut down everything and make deserts ie u.s dust bowl and we poison our seas and skies........

the buddhists say that we have an innate goodness (our spirit).....which is pure......

some would say that our spirit just watches the game idly........

humanity seems to be captured by a madness with knee jerk reactions and hatred and beliefs in fantasy novels.we are led astray from an early age and whether we see it or not,we are programmed by conventional thinking.

shamanisn etc shows us a way to experience things for ourselves,free from dogma. yet oddly enough the prevailing powers whether they be christians,muslims etc always yelled witch or blasphemer etc to stamp their own brand of tyranny upon the proles.......

as i see things we are headed for a massive upheaval in the west......
and it wont be pretty.we  have allowed the madness to get out of control .

So- we all have a spirit? if so it must be incredibly strong as it is from the source? yet we as people are incredibly weak.......

some say that we come to earth to experience life because a spirit cannot do many things ie eat food..........
yet as we are so weak it just seems to me that we have exchanged one prison for another.

without going on too much it just seems to me that we havent evolved at all in thousands of years. sure we have the web and planes etc yet people have been setting themselves up as deities for millenia and the sheep just follow.whether believing in mohammed or manson .


as we do not live in a modern global shambala then as far as i can see then there is nothing to be gained from trusting any of the gurus as they seem to have agendas which do not include our benefit or health whatsoever- although they assure us daily that they are doing everything for us..........

so who to trust? a true shaman will show you the way without reward.
in our every day life it seems that there is always an ulterior MOTIVE behind the actions of those that want to 'help' us.......
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of it has to be put down to personality and experience. Some people are naturally very trusting.
They immediately see the good in everyone and everything, while others are very distrusting and are always seeking a hidden motive.
I don't think people who are distrusting are naturally that way though. I think they become that way through various life experiences and 'learn' not to trust.

Of course the best way to be is a little of both - as with all things, balance is key. But this is easier said than done.

Billy, I'm sure a psycologist would have a field day with you. Trying to pinpoint where you became such a distrusting soul.

Is there anybody you trust? Do you trust your parents?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do trust some people..........

not many.those without ulterior motives.

anyway-there arent any people-think about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you are saying David...  

the universal law is that we are all growing learning at out own rates some will learn more, others may not learn and grow very much.

life is not meant to be about comparing ourselves with others it is really mean to be about gaining understand of the self...  and through that understanding we may be gaining understanding of others.. and in turn hopefully allowing them to be as they are

Billy trust yourself and the rest should not matter



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