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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Guides Reply with quote

If we humans have guides as is often claimed, the I often wonder who guides the "lower" beings.

We hear tell of lower or dark entities so do they have guides I wonder?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think they have guides,but they choose to not either accept them or just dont understand them ,they possibly see something or feel  but dont get it
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do hope that makes sense
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark wrote:
i do hope that makes sense


Purrfick !  to me Mark, dunno about David,he's younger than me,and a bit slower...oops!  I've done it now

I shall have to grovel later. PDT_Aliboronz_33
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that I am younger that you Lilly am I?

I asked the question,who guides the lower realms in a spiritualist church once and was all but told that I was mad.

They seemed to think that only humans have guides.

The idea struck me as daft because surely if, and I do mean if, we have guides to help us to evolve the surely so do the lower realms, if indeed they exist.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand the "lower" thing. Could you explain please?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps elemental level.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think that I am younger that you Lilly am I?

I asked the question,who guides the lower realms in a spiritualist church once and was all but told that I was mad.

They seemed to think that only humans have guides.

The idea struck me as daft because surely if, and I do mean if, we have guides to help us to evolve the surely so do the lower realms, if indeed they exist.


Two years to be exact,is our age difference.
I think in my humble opinion,that every living thing,elemental,or not has a 'guide' or helper.Maybe its our own 'overself'?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps elemental level.


Still don't understand (sorry, am not being deliberately thick)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiritualists are always banging on about negative or dark spirits.

These they consider to be of the lower level.

These are the entities that i asked about when I asked the question who guides the lower realms.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

banging on....  thats a way to put it dave ,this is of course correct  that they talk of  these energies  but also there are many mediums who dont  talk about  negative dark spirits,i believe they ,(some)dont  come across these ,or if they do they just  have no interest  in lower energys
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meiah wrote:
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Perhaps elemental level.


Still don't understand (sorry, am not being deliberately thick)


I think David is referring to the 'lower astral beings' the mischievous spirits,and the poltergeists,imps,demons etc.
The elemental on the other hand are;
We call these beings elementals although they are also known as Faeries and are a part of the Faerie realms. Many traditional cultures have sensed the presence of spirits in nature, the elements of fire earth water and air have their own separate groups.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My feeling is that these beings are only in a lower plane because they have not accepted guidance. Mentally and emotionally they are opposed to the influence of their guides, instead relying on their imperfect egotistical will power. Just my own opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My feeling is that these beings are only in a lower plane because they have not accepted guidance. Mentally and emotionally they are opposed to the influence of their guides, instead relying on their imperfect egotistical will power. Just my own opinion.


So then we are back to the question, who guides them?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I said earlier that I thought all living things /beings  have a guide of some sort?
Think about the saying; Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite them,and little fleas have littler fleas---so ad infinitum.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So then we are back to the question, who guides them?


I suspect they rely on their own egotistical willpower and deflect guidance from higher up. All incarnated beings ostensibly have a guide. Whether or not you are in tune with them is another matter.

So they may have guides... but they are unguided. Does that make sense?
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So then we are back to the question, who guides them?


I suspect they rely on their own egotistical willpower and deflect guidance from higher up. All incarnated beings ostensibly have a guide. Whether or not you are in tune with them is another matter.

So they may have guides... but they are unguided. Does that make sense?


Only if you believe in belief itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well David, there's one thing I definitely don't believe. I don't believe you believe in belief!
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well David, there's one thing I definitely don't believe. I don't believe you believe in belief!


I believe totally in belief.

Belief manifesting as fact and deceiving the believer..

I believe that's what I believe anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if it's fact it can't be a belief! That's a fact, and I don't believe it!
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But if it's fact it can't be a belief! That's a fact, and I don't believe it!


I gotta headache.

All I am suggesting is this.

How much of what you and I "know" is actually belief.

You have to be honest for this one, but I find that it opens up an awful lot to contemplate.

Once the belief is gone there is a very large vacuum indeed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't move forward decisively if you are standing on a rotating turntable wearing a blindfold, which is kind of how I see you at times.

You have to believe. If if you wait until you know, you'll be sitting there forever.
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You can't move forward decisively if you are standing on a rotating turntable wearing a blindfold, which is kind of how I see you at times.

You have to believe. If if you wait until you know, you'll be sitting there forever.


I prefer the turntable to blind faith.

At least the scenery changes from time to time.

You do not have to believe in anything ever.

What is belief.

Empty concept and succour for the feeble minded..
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway as I asked earlier.

If the belief is taken from what we think we know, then what is left?

I am not having a pop at anyone.

I am trying to make some sense of belief and how it fits in to our concept of what reality is.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway as I asked earlier.

If the belief is taken from what we think we know, then what is left?

I am not having a pop at anyone.

I am trying to make some sense of belief and how it fits in to our concept of what reality is.



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