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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's nice there but the problem is that it's fifty ponds a night.


Fifty ponds? What are you going to do with all those poor fish?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's nice there but the problem is that it's fifty ponds a night.


Fifty ponds? What are you going to do with all those poor fish?


Oi u.

Opps pounds of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have come up with the idea of heading the advertising thus.


ENQUIRE WITHIN..... look at your life through conversation and meditation.

A thirteen week course of self disscovery and change.



Good bad yucky.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Hobbs, let's talk frank here.

As someone who has run many groups concerned with paranormally related subjects over the years there are a few things I need to point out before you start this group.

Let's call a spade a spade. Groups like this attract whack-jobs. They also attract the needy and desperate.
If that's the kind of thing you're going for, fine but I strongly suggest you instigate some kind of filter process to keep the nut-jobs at bay before you allow people in.
Regardless of how 'nice' or 'harmless' they may seem at the start they are always a pain in the arse in the long run.

I hate to have to say it (I don't really) but the kind of people who will find their way to this group will be people who have probably tried a multitude of religions and self help groups, who may be coming from some kind of substance abuse past and are basically looking for something or someone to run their lives for them. KEEP YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU!

I think you need to make the point of your group a lot clearer and include a phone number in the initial advertising rather than just throwing open the doors and seeing who turns up.

Make sure you include the price of any subs in the advertising as some people will argue over a couple of quid if they weren't aware of it.

They will also be expecting refreshments when they arrive so think about tea and coffee.

But basically, unless it's what you're looking for you really don't need some clingy weirdo following you around and ringing you up all the time expecting you to be some kind of guru or life coach - I've been there, and as flattering as it may sound it really is no fun.

Good luck Hobbs. Let me know if there's anything I can help with.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree and thank you for the advice.

I never did suffer clingers on gladly and frankly always find them embarrassing. No one will be given my telephone number.

If someone is a pain in the arse I shall point out to them that they are not welcome back.

We are not a paranormal group and the last thing I want is to give that impression so I will make that clear in the advertising.  

We are stipulating a thirteen weeks only course so have the escape clause should we need it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, you might want to drop the word 'course'.

'Course' implies they are going to actually learn something and while I'm sure you will impart many pearls of wisdom upon your subjects, 'course' makes it sound like some kind of academic study group with a recognised award upon completion.

'Limited Period Discussion Group' may work better.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that sounds OK.

The idea is that they do learn thing about themselves but by themselves.

That can happen through disscusion and meditation.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait to see how this thing pans out.  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither can i.

I am no good with plans and have always been better making things work as I go along.

Perhaps I may get lucky and no one will show up.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No such chance. They'll come.

I like the "enquire within" bit. I also take Raymonds points about nut-jobs. Maybe say "self discovery and empowerment" or something like that. It will filter out those who want the answers on a plate.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No such chance. They'll come.

I like the "enquire within" bit. I also take Raymonds points about nut-jobs. Maybe say "self discovery and empowerment" or something like that. It will filter out those who want the answers on a plate.


The word empowerment always sounds a bit fingers down throat to me.

Something like that is what I need.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Empowerment is one of those politically correct words for people who probably aren't emotionally strong enough to be empowered by anything.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree. Empowerment is one of those politically correct words for people who probably aren't emotionally strong enough to be empowered by anything.



Now this is a dilemma.

I have to agree totally with Raymond.

Still I'm of out soon so perhaps I shall recover my senses after a while.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now this is a dilemma.

I have to agree totally with Raymond.


You want to keep an eye on that Hobbs.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now this is a dilemma.

I have to agree totally with Raymond.


You want to keep an eye on that Hobbs.


I have health insurance.

Perhaps I can get it sorted.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. I shuddered as I typed it. Couldn't think of a better word though that everyone understands.
Go with your original words, or just say what it does.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the old expression was "self confidence".

I think I will cut the new age crap and use that.

I dislike the empowerment nonsense because it is so sugar coated and yank that it makes your teeth hurt.

When you consider that most of mine are removable it gives you an idea just how sugary That is.
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try not to judge the whole thing before it even starts David- it will evolve as the group needs it to
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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try not to judge the whole thing before it even starts David- it will evolve as the group needs it to


Yeah, all down the pub by half eight on the piss.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and what would be wrong with that - maybe Dave needs more socialising :)
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try not to judge the whole thing before it even starts David- it will evolve as the group needs it to



Yes I agree with that evergreen.

Each group will have it's own dynamic and I feel that you have to work within that dynamic even if it means changing from your original concept.
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Yes, even if it turns into a complete freak show.  
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I don't know if you have looked out of your window of late but life is a freak show.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I've laughed myself silly reading this one!  You two are like Laurel and Hardy!        

How did it go, David?  Did you get the group up and running?  It sounded an interesting idea, but I can't get the vision of Raymond with a lesbian tucked under each arm out of my head!      
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is a serial lesbian collector.  Never actually been prosecuted for it but has run a bit close to the wind on occasions.

Strange thing about this group thing.  It has made me take stock of exactly where i am and what are my motives for starting this group.

Know what.  Upon examination I think it is time that I changed what I do and what I try to learn.

Over the years my teacher has gone from mystic/shaman to psychotherapist and I prefer the shaman/mystic.

Twelve years or more I have been with him and I now have to make some pretty tough decisions.  I feel that I have ceased to learn.  Not his fault but mine.



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