david hobbs
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Why the paranormalI sometimes wonder why I am so drawn to the paranormal. its not something that you can chat about to the person you met in the supermarket or even to many members of your own family including your children.
It is for me a feeling inside that is almost a yearning. A yearning,a need, for what, I have no idea.
You could say understanding, but I really couldn't care less how things work I just know that they do.
It is like some invisible something that has no language and is without form but is as tangible as the keyboard I am using right now. A search for a hidden part of myself.
How do you feel about the hidden but sensed side of your nature?
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mark
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goood question david
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evergreen
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its always been there for me.. I'm not even drawn to really understand it or explain it even now.... it doesn't' feel unnatural to me it feels connected and part of me which has always made me laugh about people referring to things that occur as "unnatural"
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laura
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i struggle with it... i guess the practical side of me is always questioning why... it is true however the less questioning i am the more experiences occur and the more natural it feels. any ideas how to switch off the thought process!!? 
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david hobbs
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| laura wrote: | | i struggle with it... i guess the practical side of me is always questioning why... it is true however the less questioning i am the more experiences occur and the more natural it feels. any ideas how to switch off the thought process!!? |
The easiest way is to study the breath.
Just watch it going in and out.
At first it may not stop the thought process for long but after a while it begins to work better.
You can also work with various yogic breathing techniques.
The other way is to jump off of a high cliff 
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evergreen
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you can also feel it going in and out through the nose .. that helps some who find trying to concentrate on seeing things makes the mind go into overdrive again
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | | you can also feel it going in and out through the nose .. that helps some who find trying to concentrate on seeing things makes the mind go into overdrive again |
Concentrating on seeing is possibly the worst thing to do as far as I have found.
I think that it is all about the now. Take what is given in the now or what is not given. Trying hard is telling yourself that it is hard and then it becomes hard to do.
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meiah
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To me, the paranormal is a part of the picture which makes more sense of the normal.
Its the difference between acceping what seems obvious, and looking for a different point of view.
Yes, i seek to understand, and so I question. I question everyone, even those who don't think they have the answer, because everyone has a part of the picture.
Those who do not believe in the paranormal have as valid a part of the picture as those who do (as long as they are willing to explore that....this is not the topic for that debate).
In the searching for the words, in the exploring a feeling, or a nagging doubt, or a thought just a little our of reach, we stretch beyond what we were, and so have a little more of the picture.
Its all the same picture, even if it doesn't feel like it is.
It may well be a picture in a mirror, or a picture beyond what I think I know or am.....I don't know....yet....I feel I am reaching towards completion.....no, completeness
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Spirit Realm
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I feel that the paranormal is a natural part of life for all humans and someone of us except it and others do not. We all have answers we are seeking because that too is natural part of whom we are. I feel that if there was nothing to seek out then it sure would be a really boring life as we know it. I personally love exploring for answers to questions that ponder and rack my brain. I also feel that there is much more out there to life that we are not even aware of and I look forward to seeing all I am allowed to see.
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Raymond
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| Spirit Realm wrote: | | I also feel that there is much more out there to life that we are not even aware of and I look forward to seeing all I am allowed to see. |
That's an interesting comment SR.
Who do you believe has the final say over what you are 'allowed' to see?
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Spirit Realm
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I think that is really up to us I mean we decide what we wish to see and what we do not want to see. Are we ready to see what we do not see right now? That is a good question that I can only answer for myself and I am not sure if I am fully ready or not but I am willing to try to find out. I feel that not all of us are ready but I feel we in the end have the final say so.
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Raymond
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I agree. I was so glad you didn't say it was up to spirit like they're looking out for us or something.
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david hobbs
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But saying the word "allowed " suggests some controling force or entity.
Perhaps capable might be better, unless you believe that there is a controling force.
Nothing wrong with that by the way.
Just asking.
I would love to see some pictures of your desert Spirit Realm.
Sorry.
Just had to blurt it out. 
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Spirit Realm
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David I will have to find some for you guys to see. Raymond glad I did not confuse you I have a bad habit of doing that to people accidentantly. LOL.
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Fire_Dragon
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Seems to me people have a need to define themselves to a set of rules, be it religion or the paranormal.
They want to be the exalted ones, better than the stupid sheep.
Its all the rage now to be psychic, the all seeing, all knowing eye of god.
I smell ego.
Fire Dragon
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david hobbs
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Well said Fire Dragon.
To me Religion IS paranormal too.
Odd the way we put things into boxes.
What could be more paranormal than turning water in to wine, and making the blind see.
Not only do people define themselves but people define each other as you have just done.
Yes ego is the main if not the only driving force with many people in the paranormal, and lets not forget good old money.
It takes all sorts as they say be those sorts into the paranormal or not.
you've got me on a soap box now
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Raymond
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Ahhh, there's that word again - "ego". The last great hiding place of the unsure sceptic.
Fire Dragon. Define 'ego' if you would be so kind.
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Spirit Realm
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| Fire_Dragon wrote: | Seems to me people have a need to define themselves to a set of rules, be it religion or the paranormal.
They want to be the exalted ones, better than the stupid sheep.
Its all the rage now to be psychic, the all seeing, all knowing eye of god.
I smell ego.
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Well I would not wish to be psychic personally just being empathic is enough for this girl. I think though that people are wrong about people whom are psychic having a huge ego. I do not think they feel that they know everything or are the all knowing eye of God. We are ego minded people but not as much as we think we are.
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Fire_Dragon
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| Raymond wrote: | Ahhh, there's that word again - "ego". The last great hiding place of the unsure sceptic.
Fire Dragon. Define 'ego' if you would be so kind. |
In this thread I refer to putting the self above others.
I am better than they are, I am special. God loves me. I will be saved.
Fire Dragon
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Fire_Dragon
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| david hobbs wrote: | Well said Fire Dragon.
To me Religion IS paranormal too.
Odd the way we put things into boxes.
What could be more paranormal than turning water in to wine, and making the blind see.
Not only do people define themselves but people define each other as you have just done.
Yes ego is the main if not the only driving force with many people in the paranormal, and lets not forget good old money.
It takes all sorts as they say be those sorts into the paranormal or not.
you've got me on a soap box now |
The more money I have the bigger my ego......?
Fire Dragon
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david hobbs
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Why do you think that?
Ego in the sense it is usually taken in has little to do with money.
To me the ego is simply the sense that I exist.
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Fire_Dragon
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It was a question David, to something in your post.
Fire Dragon
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david hobbs
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| Fire_Dragon wrote: | It was a question David, to something in your post.
Fire Dragon |
Save me a bit of time and tell me what.
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Raymond
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These conversations are like the Number 10 bus.
Wait around long enough and it will soon come back.
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Tommy
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With me, I suppose it was a challenge to my stubborn scepticism in my young days. I was of the opinion that there was nothing other than the physical World that we could see and hear. Dad on the other hand was a natural psychic who had so many amazing experiences he would be a goldmine of information on any spiritual website. Unfortunately, every time he started talking about his experiences I would get mad at him for talking about "all that weird rubbish" and I'd go out. However, the seeds had been sown and I started to take an interest in Dad's experiences. Unfortunately Dad never developed himself as a medium... he'd fall asleep if he ever tried to meditate, and his concentration span was therefore rather short. His experiences became anecdotal and fascinating. I trusted him because he was honest and had no reason to make anything up. However he died in 1991 and that was before the days of web forums!
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Raymond
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| Tommy wrote: | | he'd fall asleep if he ever tried to meditate, |
Sounds like a sensible man.
Meditation, like most things 'spiritual', is completely over-rated and wholly unnecessary.
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evergreen
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 Raymond your opening a hornets next with that one
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | Tommy wrote: | | he'd fall asleep if he ever tried to meditate, |
Sounds like a sensible man.
Meditation, like most things 'spiritual', is completely over-rated and wholly unnecessary. |
I bet he fell asleep when you just tried conversation
Deuce
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Raymond
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| evergreen wrote: | | Raymond your opening a hornets next with that one |
Why EG?
Meditation has one useful purpose, to quieten the mind and the body. People who are very stressed or over-excited I would completely recommend meditation to.
But it does absolutely nothing for so-called 'spiritual advancement'.
I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
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Fire_Dragon
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If a person wanted to harm another, could meditation be used in the process?
Raymond?
Fire Dragon
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | evergreen wrote: | | Raymond your opening a hornets next with that one |
Why EG?
Meditation has one useful purpose, to quieten the mind and the body. People who are very stressed or over-excited I would completely recommend meditation to.
But it does absolutely nothing for so-called 'spiritual advancement'.
I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. |
I will have a go after I have meditated on the subject.
Spiritual advancement.
That's an interesting thing to believe in.
What does it mean though?
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | Spiritual advancement.
That's an interesting thing to believe in.
What does it mean though? |
I've no idea but you hear it bantered about by so-called 'spiritual' people.
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Raymond
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| Fire_Dragon wrote: | | If a person wanted to harm another, could meditation be used in the process?Raymond? |
Not quite sure I catch your drift.
If you mean can it be used to calm a person who is violent, yes I believe it can. It won't cure the violent tendancies but it will certainly help them centre.
If you mean can it be used in something like psychic attack - no not really. If you wish to psychically attack a person you enter into an altered state that is quite different from meditation.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not slagging off meditation - I love it, but I find it interesting why people think it somehow helps with becoming a psychic or Medium as Tommy suggested about his Father.
The only thing that helps develop a psychic or mediumistic talent is doing it as often as you can, not sitting in a dark room imagining you're in a field or whatever.
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evergreen
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| david hobbs wrote: | | Raymond wrote: | | evergreen wrote: | | Raymond your opening a hornets next with that one |
Why EG?
Meditation has one useful purpose, to quieten the mind and the body. People who are very stressed or over-excited I would completely recommend meditation to.
But it does absolutely nothing for so-called 'spiritual advancement'.
I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. |
I will have a go after I have meditated on the subject.
Spiritual advancement.
That's an interesting thing to believe in.
What does it mean though? |
Raymond I said that because so many people think that if they meditate on a subject they will be given clarity.... and I mean many people appear to be living in this manner.... I hear it all the time don't you?
I don't think anything has all the answers and I also don't think that mediation is the key to enlightenment or spiritual development or whatever you want to call what people are attempting to attain.. I think life is the key
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meiah
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EG - yes, I think you are right, if you live your life entirely consciously.
For many though (myself included at times), meditation allows a view that is not hampered by the self, and so, new insights may be gained, and so enlightenment gained.
What exactly is spiritual advancement?
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