david hobbs
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Why do ghosts wear clothsI put this on about once a year because I truly believe that If I had the answer I would understand what ghosts are.
It may at first seem a silly question,but if you take time and think about it,then it takes you down all kinds of highways and byways in your mind.
So then. Why do ghosts wear cloths
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meiah
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Because they appear to us as we expect them to appear? Because we see what we expect to see?
Had a conversation with someone a while back about why "spirit guides" often appear as native amerian indians, or tibetan monks, or angels and the view then was that we can accept spiritual wisdom from people who we accept to be spiritual people, and so when we recieve information, we see the guide as the sort of person we would expect to receive that information from..... we personalise it in a way that makes sense to us.
Now, I don't know if that is right or worng, but it makes a sense to me.
So, why do ghosts wear clothes....is it the same thing? We would not expect someone who we perceive as being from the 17th century to be wearing flares.
Whether that ghost is what we see is a quite different question. Having never "seen" one, I could not comment, so all the above is really quite irrelevant.
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david hobbs
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So are you saying that ghosts are energy that complies to our belief systems.
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meiah
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Not necessarily....I am saying that we interpret what we sense according to our belief system.
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Ian Macro
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Not sure on this one perhaps they are seen in their cloths that they passed away in or why would they need cloths once in the world of spirit. Perhaps it is not to frighten those they visit. to let them see something familair. Or is it all just a replay of the past ?
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Sia
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If there is ghosts, there bodies are not there , there rotting or a pile of ash, I would think they are projecting an image of themselves as they were when alive
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david hobbs
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The thing is that clothing to my knowledge does not posses a spirit.
If a ghost is a spirit surely it would appear naked.
So it seems to me that our expectations play a part in the ghost phenomana. Having said that if they are just a kind of recording on the ether then yes they would I feel be seen clothed.
Blighmey naked spirits, KJ will go out ghost hunting now!
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Sia
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:D but a spirit surely keeps a part of its self, its former self?
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Sia
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If they didnt how would they retain any information about there previous lifes
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david hobbs
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I suppose the problem is in defining a spirit.
Is it aware. I have medium friends whjo have had wonderful proof of spirit survival but they do not know why ghosts wear cloths.
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Sia
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Well if its aware then its going to be ruddy aware if its naked or not :D
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david hobbs
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It may not matter when you have popped your clogs Sia.
I will definatelycome back fully clothed. I do feel the cold.
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Sia
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Think I'll go for naked 
Ok lets take it the other way, if ghosts still hold information of the past but dont give a too hoots wiether thier letting it all hang out, then to me it leans more to the fact that they are just recordings left behind for us to pick up
Just cause your dead dosent mean you wouldnt want to be yourself
Thats a point theres nudists have you ever seen a naked ghost?
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david hobbs
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Em. I have seen four ghosty thingys and they were all solid black figures with no features. Other than that I have felt them and had them talk and walk through me. I have been thrown to the ground by them i have been overwhelmed by thier emotions etc. I am still a sceptic.
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Sia
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So really they could be something completly different than what we think of as ghosts they could in fact be a totally diffent enity to humans that is in fact studying us
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meiah
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Has anyone ever asked them?
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meiah
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Wonder if they see us as naked? Wonder how they see us at all?
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david hobbs
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The ones that I saw where certainly aware of me. Three of them on different occasions were deep black and the room was buzzing with a kind of static electricity sound. One made me jump so much that I kicked it under the chin. Nothing there. Hurt my leg.
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meiah
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Did you communicate?
So, if they were black figures, were they wearing clothes, or were they just black figures?
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david hobbs
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| messiah wrote: | Did you communicate?
So, if they were black figures, were they wearing clothes, or were they just black figures? |
I am afraid that there was no communication. I felt that the ones in the room were a threat so I "chased them off". The one in Canewdon(this one did not have the static sound with it) Churchyard seemed more afraid of us than we were of it. The others were just black shapes and I could not make out any clothing.
When most people see spirit the see them psychically. Funny thing is that they can describe the way that they are dressed to someone who knew them when they were alive and the description is accurate. To me that offers no proof of survival but definite proof that our senses extend beyond time and the physical body.
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meiah
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Oooh, I am the messiah? Cool, underestimated my self all these years 
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david hobbs
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I was never in doubt.
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david hobbs
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They wear cloths because we create them and we don't often,with the odd exception of course, imagine a person undressed in public say.
In other words they conform to our belief systems.
On the other hand
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Sia
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...they might be conforming to ours, and why?
I have said this a few times, but sometimes I do wonder that Ghosts, Aliens ect...
Is in fact the same "thing", playing with our minds, experimenting on us, seeing what our reactions are blah blah
Just a thought
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meiah
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We create them how?
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david hobbs
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Our mind is full of preconceptions not always of our own making in fact rarely of our own making and by the very nature of a preconception just an illusion. Our brain makes things fit and fills in gaps. So lets say you believe that you have just seen a ghost. Your preconception is that it used to be a living person. Living people wear clothing. So whatever it is that is interacting with you will be wearing clothing.
Em not very clear that but I think I know what I mean.
Ghosts are people. People wear cloths. Clothing must have a spirit otherwise it could not return from the other side(I have a problem with that). I must be more spiritual than clothing(ego!)
You see the question has so many aspects to it and none of them sound right.
Except for one. Everything is mind.
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meiah
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Isn't that what I said?
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david hobbs
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Yes you said it but do you know it?
I have referred once before to a meditation that I did during the quickening when for a split second I saw how I created my own reality. It was a split second only but the long term effect will never leave me. From what I saw,and as ludicrous as it may seem we literally create our own reality. Seeing thought, consciousness made manifest is quite a shock.
I think that with all of our sophistication we know absolutely nothing about creation and never will. Just now and again we may catch a glimpse.
Oh. Sorry for the plagiarism
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evergreen
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I have seen them clothed and also just as black figures.. the best is when you hear them coming as you can hear the footsteps and then the swish of a skirt and they walk in the door way and speak to you...
I have never asked or wondered why they are clothed 
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Bravo
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So if our brain is creating them, is that a creation of some other sense put into a form that is more understandable to us, or is it from the creative part of the brain?
Or is it that they are there to see all the time, but most people block them out as a matter of course....
Interesting...
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david hobbs
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| Bravo wrote: | So if our brain is creating them, is that a creation of some other sense put into a form that is more understandable to us, or is it from the creative part of the brain?
Or is it that they are there to see all the time, but most people block them out as a matter of course....
Interesting... |
Good question and I only have theories.
I fell that in order for our brain to create anything it has to have something to create it out of, or in conjunction with. You cannot I feel get something from nothing. I feel that our brain is part of something bigger and that we interact with, that bigger something all of the time. Why assume that everything is limited to an organ inside our head. Try this. Imagine that you do not have a head. Suddenly the world is a bigger place. Try it and see.
It is part of my pet subject of "what is reallity". Is it what you assume it is. I very much doubt it. I think that in the very simple question "why do ghosts wear cloths? you have the ingredients for a model of the universe.
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evergreen
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Ah the old question arises why do we see what we see.... I can only say that I often say words I have never heard... like medical terms and things I really know nothing about it is given to me from somewhere it isn't coming from me though... If I do a reading fro someone from a different culture that cannot speak my language I often hear things I cant say or pronounce and I don't even try but I seem to just understand the meaning.... weird ?
there are millions of people all over the world that see spirits or ghosts if you like it seems they all appeared clothed although I have seen native Australian spirits who were not clothed... ??? but that is most likely how we would expect to see them
And if our brain creates them how can more than one brain create the same image or sound at once??? I am sure there have many on here whohave been with others and all seen the same thing or heard the same thing... so how do we answer that one? are we all seeing things :D
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | Ah the old question arises why do we see what we see.... I can only say that I often say words I have never heard... like medical terms and things I really know nothing about it is given to me from somewhere it isn't coming from me though... If I do a reading fro someone from a different culture that cannot speak my language I often hear things I cant say or pronounce and I don't even try but I seem to just understand the meaning.... weird ?
there are millions of people all over the world that see spirits or ghosts if you like it seems they all appeared clothed although I have seen native Australian spirits who were not clothed... ??? but that is most likely how we would expect to see them
And if our brain creates them how can more than one brain create the same image or sound at once??? I am sure there have many on here whohave been with others and all seen the same thing or heard the same thing... so how do we answer that one? are we all seeing things :D |
I will come back with an amazing reply.
Emmmmm
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evergreen
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well I will reply :) .. it is like a collective conscious is it not??? I often think it is that .. in that way when we create our own reality we are also creating that for others on another plane that they link into and then take on as their own.. in theory anyway and in writing it it makes perfect sense
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | | well I will reply :) .. it is like a collective conscious is it not??? I often think it is that .. in that way when we create our own reality we are also creating that for others on another plane that they link into and then take on as their own.. in theory anyway and in writing it it makes perfect sense |
Dammit you beat me to It. How can you think so fast in high heels.
I was going to say that perhaps we have individual brains but share the same mind.
Go on admit it. You picked up on me
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evergreen
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where is that rolling around laughing like a mad things smiley imagine one here right now ...
it is not a new thought ......
Now maybe goi deeper my eldest daughter and I often dream that same dreams why or how can that be has been happening since she was 2 years old.. is it me picking up on her .. her on me... or ?????? AND do others do this?
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Bravo
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The brain works on electricity, electricity creates a field.
The first 'spark' happens 10 days after conception, very early on in the life of an embryo.
Once created, 'things' stick around until they either dissipate or are destroyed. Maybe that 'spark of life' sticks around as a thought, or collection of thoughts. So maybe how we see them is how they see themselves.
Would that make sense?
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meiah
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If someone makes a statement, and everyone around agrees, how do we know if they are all agreeing to the same thing, or to their own interpretation of that statement?
I listen to my two girls having a conversation. They are both talking about completely seperate things, and yet have a discussion and (sometimes) reach and agreement.
Each believes the other has agreed, and yet each has been talking about something slightly different.
When we experience a shared event, for each of us it will be a different event.
So, do we share the same mind? Or maybe, do we share the same event, experience it differently, and so between us, make a more complete experience of that event.
In other words, are we all different aspects of the same mind?
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meiah
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| Bravo wrote: | The brain works on electricity, electricity creates a field.
The first 'spark' happens 10 days after conception, very early on in the life of an embryo.
Once created, 'things' stick around until they either dissipate or are destroyed. Maybe that 'spark of life' sticks around as a thought, or collection of thoughts. So maybe how we see them is how they see themselves.
Would that make sense? |
Or maybe how we see them is how they define theirselves?
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evergreen
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all sound like reasonable explanations to me.
If you all feel a gush of wind in your face inside a closed room how is that explained? It can't really be how your minds works as the physical side is the strongest not the mental with that (so much anyway).. and often you see people they really do appear as they did in their physical life maybe that is how they connect with this plane ... something keeps telling me it is all about vibrations
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Bravo
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Even physical touch is only a manfestation of nerve endings sending a signal to the brain wherupon it is perceived as whatever the stimulus is.
So, if you could send the right signal to the brain along the right wavelength, you could get the recipient to feel as though they had air blown at them.
Of course I am theorizing, but it does have a sound footing.
Whether the manifestations felt by people in such circumstances is an electronc signal, or a real blow of air is another question..
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evergreen
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yes true everything we do is electronic isn't it... but can we all have those same impluses at once?
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Bravo
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| evergreen wrote: | | yes true everything we do is electronic isn't it... but can we all have those same impluses at once? |
I don't know, I am just trying to bring what is 'known' and what is 'unknown' together, though there are a lot of thin strings on those balloons
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evergreen
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or tubes in the matrix :D
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david hobbs
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| Bravo wrote: | The brain works on electricity, electricity creates a field.
The first 'spark' happens 10 days after conception, very early on in the life of an embryo.
Once created, 'things' stick around until they either dissipate or are destroyed. Maybe that 'spark of life' sticks around as a thought, or collection of thoughts. So maybe how we see them is how they see themselves.
Would that make sense? |
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Back to basics. You as a medium are a receiver. Perhaps mediums are also good transmitters. Or certain mediums anyway. I am sure that you practice absent healing so you are used to transmitting and even bringing about change. Using those mental muscles will surely strengthen them
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evergreen
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I like to think so.. after a days work my head can ache... now that proves I have some muscles left.... :D
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evergreen
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| meiah wrote: | | Bravo wrote: | The brain works on electricity, electricity creates a field.
The first 'spark' happens 10 days after conception, very early on in the life of an embryo.
Once created, 'things' stick around until they either dissipate or are destroyed. Maybe that 'spark of life' sticks around as a thought, or collection of thoughts. So maybe how we see them is how they see themselves.
Would that make sense? |
Or maybe how we see them is how they define theirselves? |
I think you may be very right in my experience some spirits come through looking the way they did when they were much younger (before they passed) ... maybe because that is how they like to remember themselves
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | | meiah wrote: | | Bravo wrote: | The brain works on electricity, electricity creates a field.
The first 'spark' happens 10 days after conception, very early on in the life of an embryo.
Once created, 'things' stick around until they either dissipate or are destroyed. Maybe that 'spark of life' sticks around as a thought, or collection of thoughts. So maybe how we see them is how they see themselves.
Would that make sense? |
Or maybe how we see them is how they define themselves? |
I think you may be very right in my experience some spirits come through looking the way they did when they were much younger (before they passed) ... maybe because that is how they like to remember themselves |
In itself that is an oddity. Can spirits decide how they look. Think about the consequences of that. They could be playing games with people and who would know. I think there is a lot more depth to this phenomena than just dead people coming back to say hello.
Hey.....Perhaps when you are dead you can choose your own reality
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Bravo
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Maybe we are dead
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evergreen
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well there is a whole area of thinking Bravo, we will be here for years debating that one...
I guess spirits can choose their own reality we will never really know imo
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | well there is a whole area of thinking Bravo, we will be here for years debating that one...
I guess spirits can choose their own reality we will never really know imo |
Can spirits choose their own reality?
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laura
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| Sia wrote: | Think I'll go for naked
Thats a point theres nudists have you ever seen a naked ghost? |
i am a naturist... and i must admit to not noticing clothes on "spirit"!... come to think of it .. i had not really thought about that before! !
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laura
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oooohhhh! there's a picture...maybe that's why i'm not clairvoyant!!!... back to the chicken thought again eh david
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david hobbs
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| laura wrote: | | oooohhhh! there's a picture...maybe that's why i'm not clairvoyant!!!... back to the chicken thought again eh david |
Yes but keep your kit on incase they have a go at your aspect
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evergreen
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I have been thinking about this, I think spirit shows you what they want to ...
Have ever had a spirit put some foul taste in your mouth like vomit and keep giving it to you until you pass it on and the person takes it (validates it)? I had one do that today and I can't stand to be sick 
I have no idea why they come through with clothes on but sometimes I just see the form or they just show their face or maybe a huge hat .. things that mean something to them... I have thought about them showing themselves as younger and I really think that they are tryinto say there were good looking or how they looked at different times.... of course none of this can be proven as fact and truth all it is is experience
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