what was the worst spirit you came across,and how bad

stuart1976 · what was the worst spirit you came across,and how bad

my worst was at a lodge somewhere in essex,couldnt see it but it managed to slam the door ,give off a nasty smell and managed to give a deep growel ,and that was enough for me as i was on my own ......

swanlady

You don,t want to know my worst experience. It was,nt nice and happened a long time ago thank goodness

stuart1976

i would like to know its interesting and gives us signs to look out for pm me if you dont want to put on here please tell please please

swanlady

I was 15, a bit of a rebel and stayed out, went to night clubs with my friend Ann. We did,nt drink, but loved the dancing. Then we would sneak back in our houses when we went home.

It was about 2-3am the one night when i climbed though my front room window. and went down the stairs to the living room where i had hidden a blanket behind the sofa in the daytime. (did,nt want to wake my dad going up the stairs that time of morning).

the coal fire had burnt down to embers in the fireplace. I could hear the budgies and canaries in their cages in the alcove tweeting away. and the jack russel dog and her one pup that was only about 9 weeks old was excited to see me.

The sofa was against the wall on one side of the room. the dining table the other wall below the window. the kitchen door was between the table and the fire. Behind the door stopping it from blowing open was an old cast iron punch door stop. (Punch from punch & judy).

Anyway i turned the light out, took my jeans off and got on the sofa with the blanket. I was only on the sofa for a few minutes when the birds went silent, the dog ran up the stairs and up to the bedrooms and the puppy tried to run up the stairs but was,nt big enough to manage the stairs. so the puppy came and stood in front of me laying on the sofa yapping at the dark.

I could,nt see anything at all except a blackness, even though i had my eyes open and my eyes should have been able to see the shadows of the furniture in the room.

I just lay there scared because i did,nt understand what was happening.
I heard the kitchen door opening and heard the dragging sound of the punch being forced across the floor as the door was opened.

I could hear a very heavy raspy breathing. I can describe exactly what this thing looked like even though i did,nt see it through the whole experience.

It dragged itself across the room and threw the puppy in the fire because it was still yapping. The puppy ran out of the fire yelping and came back to the sofa and started yapping again. this thing then threw it against the wall at the side of the table. I did,nt hear the puppy after that. it went silent.

I started saying the lords prayer, asking my mum who had died when i was seven to help me. I tried screaming for my dad, but even though my mouth was open, i could,nt get a sound out.

This thing then put what i know was his arm along the length of my leg. It felt solid but hollow and cold. That is the only way i can explain it.

It took its arm away and i thought it was going to leave, but it did,nt. It took one jump and was sat on my feet. It felt weightless but solid at the same time. It dragged itself up the length of my body and sat on my chest looking down at my face. and i felt like it was smirking or pleased with itself for the amount of fear in me.

All of a sudden i found my voice and started screaming like hell for my dad. While this black thinking was sat on my chest, i could hear my dad fall out of bed, and could hear him heading out of the bedroom to get to me. As my dad was coming down the stairs and trying to get his trousers on at the same time. this thing jumped down off me and dragged itself back across the room and out the kitchen door.

One of the things i could,nt understand is the fact it did,nt seem to be in a hurry to get out. it just took its time as though there was no rush.

Anyway my dad asked me what happened so i told him everything. He checked on the puppy who was laying on the floor next to the table. Its back was burnt from the fire, and the fur never grew back. we kept the puppy ourselves. The birds were all dead from shock in the bottoms of the cages.

And me? well i know 1st hand that not everything out there is Love & Light.
There are things out there that a person should never have to meet.

I have asked myself the same question over and over again since that night.
Why me???
Why did it visit me??? What had i done so bad to have that thing pay me a visit??
I was a normal 15 year old kid.
Alright so i have always been able to see spirit, ghosts, whatever you want to call them. But i never ever deserved or asked for something like that to come to me!!!

stuart1976 · nasty

did that really happen or was that written from a book,if it did im sorry it happend to you,how did your dad take or understand when you told him what you saw.
do you know what it was.

swanlady

Hahahaha Don,t i wish it was taken from a book. i,m afraid my imagination is,nt that vivid.

Exactly what i wrote is exactly what happened to me when i was 15.

My dad believed me off course. He was a psychic medium amongst other things, I think he was a witch even though he would,nt admit as much to us kids.

He told me that it would never come to me again and that i could feel safe as he would make sure it did,nt come again. He went all round the house whispering something. i don,t know what he was saying as it was only a quiet whisper. then he came back i the room, told me if i was still scared to get my blanket and sleep on the bottom of his bed.

I wish i had got it out of a book as its a memory that is still crystal clear to me and a memory that is not wanted as its held me back in life.

There are both sides out there. and people need to be very aware of the negative as well as the positive side.

I am always on my guard and wary when it comes to spirit. and i feel its the right way to be.

david hobbs

Swanlady,

I wonder if you think that perhaps your father had in some way caused this to happen by his apparent interest in the occult?

Raymond

Unless a person has seen just how bad spirit can be there are no words in any known language that will convince them.

Raymond

By the way, Swanny, you really must stop talking about your experience all the time.
By speaking about it to all and sundry not only are you keeping the memory alive in your own head you could also unknowingly evoke the spirit again.

You'll notice I never speak of some of the incredible things that have happened to me simply because I don't want them happening again.

swanlady

No David. I did,nt and don,t for one instance think that it had anything to do with my dad hun.

My dad was interested in all areas of the spiritual realm, wicca, pagan. He was what i would call a learner.

He wanted to know everything there was to know. But he had no practice in the dark side of the realm. That much i do know.( my nan, Dad,s mum would have known and mudered him after teaching him everything she knew) Big Grin

Raymond???? Thank you for enlightening me. I truly am still learning all the time. and did,nt realise it was possible to evoke the same spirit/thing unknowingly. Thank you.

stuart1976

sorry for asking you to bring it up i dint realise you could make it happen again, my deepest apologies to you for that hun.
i am still learning to so i wont be doing that again.
i just need to learn a lot from people with experience in this thing so all inf is gratefull...

swanlady

No worries Stuart. we are all still learning and will continue to learn for the rest of our lives.

david hobbs

I didn't realise that you could make it happen again by talking about it either.

I shall have to think about that one, and in the mean time say that if you do not talk about things you will learn nothing especially how to handle difficult situations.

But I guess that I was taught to face things in order to earth them.

I have put page after page of my experiences on here and I will chat to anyone who asks either publicly, which I have done on many occasions,, and I have not had any repeat performances.

Sorry folks I don't buy this concept

But then perhaps that is becuase it has not happened to me.

Raymond

It is entirely possible to evoke certain entities merely by talking about them and unless you know exactly what entities you are working with then I suggest you err on the side of caution when discussing them.

As Swanny doesn't know what it was that attacked her I think it's unwise for her to be chatting so casually about it given the fact she is still in fear of it returning even after all this time, just in case it is an entity that could be so easily evoked.

swanlady

I do agree with Raymond on this David as i don,t know what it was and don,t want to know anymore.

Raymond

I just re-read my last post and I'm not happy with it so I shall try again.

There are entities at work "out there" that live and thrive on negative emotion. You could almost say it's like a food to them.
Normally these entities don't bother living people and the vast majority of us go through llife without ever experiencing them.
It is possible to evoke these entities and control them into doing your bidding as in thought form etc,.
When these entities 'latch onto' a person it is incredibly difficult to get rid of them.
They usually find people who live in a constant state of unhappiness or negativity or alcohol, drug or some other substance abusers.
They create a cycle of misery for the poor unfortunate they do get thier hooks into because the more the 'host' is unhappy the more the entity has to feed upon.
These entities can also be introduced to a person through the placing of a curse or some form of psychic attack.
Unless you know these entities and know how to work with them it is very, very unwise to dabble with them and, yes, talking about them can be more than enough to evoke them.

Swanlady has spoken to me about her experience before she posted it on the forum.
From the conversation it was obvious that she still fears another attack from this entity, even after all this time.

As we do not know what this entity was or where it came from I think it's unwise for her to keep talking about it.
The fear she still has for this entity is more than enough to keep it 'feeding' from her and make a return visit if it so wishes.

Swanny, I really don't mean to give you the heeby-jeebies by saying all of this because as I said to you on the telephone I really think if this entity was going to attack you again I'm a confident it would have done so by now.

It's just wise not to 'tempt fate', as it were.

Mr. Hobbs, I'm surprised and indeed saddened that you have chosen to make fun if this advice as until now I had you pegged as a very wise man.

swanlady

You have,nt given me the Heebie Jeebies at all Raymond. It makes a lot of sense in what you say. And i agree with you completely.

I believe it just took someone like yourself to advice me correctly.

If my dad was still here with me today, I am more than sure he would have given me the same advice as you have. In fact, i now realise why he was always telling me to try and forget it happened and not to give it another thought as it would,nt harm me or scare me again.

I still have so much to learn. xx

david hobbs

I have a different approach to problems.

I think that everyone needs to know how to deal with anything that they may have to confront .

Talking about it is the only way to learn to deal with it.

The question is, why do some people have these experiences, and others do not.

Is it the person or something else perhaps.

meiah

Excuse me chipping in.

To know there are such things out there helps me to develop, to learn, to form a view as a starting place to learn from.

To bottle things away, or to push them from mind when there is a fear attached to them, makes me fear them more. Sooner or later I have to face it, and I have found it better to do that before the fear becomes so great it paralyses me. In understanding, the fear is lessened. Maybe that is the consequence of an enquiring mind.

Having said that, it works for me.

Samjaza

Barking, Gascoigne Estate about 20 years ago.

Myself and a friend were dabbling. those dodgy 'Finbarr' books on salt rituals/Candle spells. We gave up. I left a thurible with burning incense -Saturn in the hallway.
Suddenly I said to my mate "who's that just came in" and could feel the presence of somebody coming down the hallway. My friend went white and asked why I sad that because he could smell something (not the incense )
Through the door came a hazy column of grey light, this glided through the room straight towards me, enveloped me and in that instant I felt an enormous emotional outburst of grief and sorrow. being younger we legged it.
My friend continued to be paranoid in that flat for days until eventually he went to a priest in barking who blessed the house.
However, things still happened.
He left a year later. Knowing the neighbours they informed him that quite a few people had been and gone.
The Dagenham Post reported some years after that a huge fire engulfed a flat in Bamber house, it was his flat.
whoops.
That's what dabbling does.

david hobbs

Yes that is what dabbling does.

Thing is that we have all dabbled and learned the lesson.

So where does dabbling end and working with these things begin.

I remmember legging it from a howling tree on Hadleigh Downs and a huge grey figure in the woods, both due to dabbling.

I am talking about it and it is nowhere to be seen.

Because I hope that I have learned what is going on.

If I am wrong you may not hear from me again.

evergreen

I remember begin 4 and introducing my mother to a tall cowboy in my bedroom only to be hauled off to the shrink the next morning ...

one thing that sticks in my mind from younger years about 12 years is floating above the ground while out on a camping trip I had been to bed and got up again thou I can' remember actually getting up only begin outside.. there was a white mist around everywhere and some strange white lights and I felt as though I was so lightheaded I couldn't control what I was doing.. I think it was my recalled out of body experience- unfortunately my friends cant' recall a darn thing I recall speaking to them while I was floating but they either didn't' hear me or didn't' bother

answering and the next day when I spoke of it no one remembered it at all but I had the damp clothes to prove it...

I'm not entirely sure what happened that night it was mid summer here in Australia so very hot and there is really no logical way we would have had mist or fog - ??? hmm what do you guys think

I've had a spirit try to enter my body and actually vomited from my efforts to keep them out... thank god we learn from each xperience

Raymond

swanlady

Yes it did terrify me. and never want to experience anything like that again.

I have spoken to Raymond in person about this experience and he knows how afraid i am of it reoccurring. So to me he is a friend whom i feel very strongly has advised me correctly. and actually put my mind at rest with his advice.

Everyone is different. some can handle and even welcome such experiences as i had.

Myself on the other hand live in fear of negative experiences. so i will be taking Raymond's advice and trying my best to leave that one experience behind me.

david hobbs

That's the right thing to do Swannie.

Raymond

I'm glad we got that sorted.

Now, moving on.....

stuart1976

guess that wasnt the best topic to put on here,sorry to you all . i just wanted to gain some experiance in the paranormal and how to deal with the bad things that i and many others dont understand.
guess i best not go back to the lodge on my own again to confront the bad thing that is in there,maybe im to brave or stupid for my own good.
maybe i will wait till im with some of you lot to see how the best way to deal with the nasty things that are out there.
i know many of you have gained experiance in these things and that you must come across it alot and must have your own way of doing things thats why you have all developed your skills to what they are today,maybe one day ill be able to have this knowledge as i have not been able to talk to people about the things i see and meet people along the way who have a certain gift, who can guide me along my path,sorry i am sorry again if i brought back bad memories ........

swanlady

Stuart hun?

Take a seat. sit back and relax.

Don,t say sorry. no need.

WE are all very straight speaking on here and is why i like it here so much.

Noone takes offence for the other speaking ur minds.

And plus you don,t get a choice with our Raymond. he always speaks as he finds

I would,nt like it any other way mind you.

We have some great debates on here. please feel free to join in. You will learn from it. I have learnt a great deal from here already, and i,m a newbie Big Grin

Raymond

If there's one thing that really annoys me is people apologising for thier assumed offence.

Stuart, say what you like. Speak your mind. If other people don't like it or take offence by it then that's thier problem not yours.

Ok?

K.J

The worst spirit I ever came across was Absynth

swanlady

Who is Absyth???
And what happened?

Raymond

LOL!!!!

Ahhh bless you Swannie sweetie, LOL!!!

Fire_Dragon

So why do they chant over and over to invoke stuff if it can be called that easily??

Fire Dragon

david hobbs

Hello Fire Dragon and welcome.

Why does who chant what?

Fire_Dragon

Hello David,

Talking about a hostile spirit can bring it back?

I was wondering about the law of attraction regarding the above, if they come back when you speak about them why do people have to chant for so long to invoke a spirit?

Is it really that easy to get attention?

Fire Dragon

david hobbs

Oh I am with you now.

It is not something that I go along with to be honest about it but perhaps others who have experienced this phenomena will comment when they get on line.

I think the chanting thing is possibly done mostly in Hollywood productions to create a scary atmosphere.

Chanting is used a lot in the occult but over dramatised in films perhaps when summoning demons etc..

Raymond

When a negative energy is attracted to you or placed on you, even though it can be removed it can always find a way back.
That's why excorcisms that the church offers are a load of rubbish because they remove the energy but leave it hanging around, they don't actually get rid of it.
If a negative energy has been removed or left by some other means then constantly recounting the story to anybody that will listen can bring it back.

Fire_Dragon

Raymond

That's not strictly true. People who attract this kind of thing are usually drug addicts, alcoholics, rapists, murderers or incredibly negative people.
The energies are attracted to that low vibrational level in people who lead negative lifestyles.
If they change their lifestyles and become more positive then the negative energy will no longer find them so interesting.

Fire_Dragon

Raymond

There are no hard and fast rules here. I really can't answer that question though.
Maybe Swanny is secretly a very negative person with lots of dark, negative thoughts, I don't think so but none of us really know each that well enough to make definate statements.

Also, we can't be 100% sure that what happened to Swanny was a negative spirit.

We would have to explore many other avenues and rule them out before we could say for sure that it was a negative spirit.

Fire_Dragon

"We would have to explore many other avenues and rule them out before we could say for sure that it was a negative spirit."

How?

The swanlady must be confused, it is looking for her now, waiting on every word.

Write about it perhaps?

Fire Dragon

swanlady

david hobbs

yes well as I said earlier i don't really go along with the concept that just talking about something can bring it back. That is assuming that there was a something in the first place of course.

Having said that I can see that by acknowledging something you could possibly be bringing it into existence even if only in your own mind.

As I feel that everything is mind anyway then I suppose at the end of the day I will have to change my view and say that talking about something can manifest it.

Not comfortable with the idea but it suits me. For now anyway.

Here of course we enter the realms of conjuration.

swanlady

meiah

swanlady

[quote]The swanlady must be confused, it is looking for her now, waiting on every word. [/quote

Fire Dragon?????

Why don,t you want to answer my question on this thread???????

Raymond

Fire Dragon is The Riddler.

He/She/It doesn't answer questions. He/She/It makes cryptic statements and tries to be mysterious by hiding behind a cheap looking tattoo of a dragon.

Fire_Dragon

I speak no riddles Raymond, perhaps you dont listen m8

Unlike your pic which shows a green guy in a robe - not Yoda...

Fire Dragon

or woman in a robe!

david hobbs

What?

Kas

Fire_Dragon

david hobbs

Oh I see.

Well it is a bit boring and I think you might have something interesting that we can all talk about.

Fire_Dragon

swanlady

Am i invisible here

Obviously Firedragon does,nt want to answer my question, which i find very rude

Fire_Dragon

david hobbs

swanlady

Fire_Dragon

Raymond

For your information, although it's really none of your business, I have already worked with Swanlady on this matter and have taken steps to make sure it never comes back.

And what is all this THE Swanlady???

If you are known to any of us Fire Dragon please reveal, all this cloak and dagger nonsense is getting boring now.

swanlady

Kas

swanlady

david hobbs

Yes but the thing is anyone can say I don't agree with something.

The question is, why don't you agree.

OK I am Devils advocate here and Fire Dragon asked a valid question.

OK he did it in an unintelligible way initially but now we understand what he is saying.

Raymond gave an answer.

Fire Dragons turn I think.

Raymond

Oh..., you just love a bit of drama don't you Hobbs?

david hobbs

Pot

You finish!!!!!!

Raymond

B*llocks!