david hobbs
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Thread No 1 what do you make of itI thought that I would put some of the threads on and see what you make of them.
1st Thread: I am living a lie, or my life is not as I want it to be, and I need to change it.
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meiah
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Re: Thread No 1 what do you make of it | david hobbs wrote: | | my life is not as I want it to be, and I need to change it. |
Fair comment....and I am. I am the only person who can do this. I take responsibility for myself, my life and how I live it (most of the time).
I do not always know how I want it to be, but I know how I don't want it to me, and change those aspects.
Actually, I do not need to change it, but I choose to. Why is there a need there?
(A lot of "I" in this)
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david hobbs
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Re: Thread No 1 what do you make of it | meiah wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | my life is not as I want it to be, and I need to change it. |
Fair comment....and I am. I am the only person who can do this. I take responsibility for myself, my life and how I live it (most of the time).
I do not always know how I want it to be, but I know how I don't want it to me, and change those aspects.
Actually, I do not need to change it, but I choose to. Why is there a need there?
(A lot of "I" in this) |
There are two options here. It does say ,or.
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meiah
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I know, disregarded the first bit as when I read it, it generates conflicting emotions. It is too ambiguous a statement and requires discussion before consideration.
In other words, it needs pinning down.
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | I know, disregarded the first bit as when I read it, it generates conflicting emotions. It is too ambiguous a statement and requires discussion before consideration.
In other words, it needs pinning down. |
Ah.
Thing is the threads are for meditating on not reasoning.
Sorry I didnt make that clear.
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meiah
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I know 
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | | I know |
Do you struggle with meditation Meiah.
If so join the club.
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Waffle King
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I do David, i can't relax into the thought of it
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david hobbs
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| Waffle King wrote: | | I do David, i can't relax into the thought of it |
Switching of the thoughts that intrude into the meditation is something that comes with a lot of practice.
Just now and then it happens and it is worth every thought that your rational mind ever had put together.
It is called insight.
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Waffle King
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but a mind as complex as mine, is it possible for me to block the thoughts as it goes? 
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david hobbs
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| Waffle King wrote: | | but a mind as complex as mine, is it possible for me to block the thoughts as it goes? |
I have a very close friend who is a genetic scientist. He studied at Oxford and Cambridge and is now an assistant professor at a New York university.
He can meditate at the drop of a hat and has gained much understanding.
I would say that his brain is fairly lively Waff.
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Waffle King
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fair cop then Dave, i shall have to try it at some point in the future
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david hobbs
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| Waffle King wrote: | | fair cop then Dave, i shall have to try it at some point in the future |
You just invited me to come back to you.
Silly Billy 
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meiah
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Ok. Serious question. I think in words and feelings.
How do I meditate?
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | Ok. Serious question. I think in words and feelings.
How do I meditate? |
Again there are different forms of meditation.
I suppose the choice is between active and passive (my words) meditation
With this particular thread the meditation would be passive. Just state the contention and stop thinking.
Observe and be patient.
It's not compulsory i am just trying to expand a little upon these threads.
They have many depths to them and sometimes you can return from your meditation laughing your socks off.
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meiah
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Ok. Probably failing at the first hurdle.....but how do you meditate on a thought wthout thinking? (I just don't understand the idea, and so how do I put it into practice?)
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billy nomates
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you cant.........meditation is the focusing of the mind on ONE thing.
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david hobbs
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1st Thread: I am living a lie, or my life is not as I want it to be, and I need to change it.
No mention of thought here.
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david hobbs
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| billy nomates wrote: | | you cant.........meditation is the focusing of the mind on ONE thing. |
Then I have been doing It wrong.
In Spiritualist circle I used to sit and just see what happened.
You are just looking at it from a more eastern aspect.
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | | Ok. Probably failing at the first hurdle.....but how do you meditate on a thought wthout thinking? (I just don't understand the idea, and so how do I put it into practice?) |
Now to answer this one.
You do not meditate on thinking.
You simply watch your thoughts whilst in a relaxed state.
Don't hold them or dissect them or try to interpret them. Just watch them and let them go.
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meiah
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Oh, David.
I need some help here
To meditate on the thread, are we saying that is a starting point from which I allow my thoughts to drift?
How does that differ from thinking?
I feel I probably ought to just try it and see, but I kind of need a nudge in the right direction,
(I know, am hard work, but I don't know what to do)
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | Oh, David.
I need some help here
To meditate on the thread, are we saying that is a starting point from which I allow my thoughts to drift?
How does that differ from thinking?
I feel I probably ought to just try it and see, but I kind of need a nudge in the right direction,
(I know, am hard work, but I don't know what to do) |
Have a look at my last post and forget the threads for now.
You only have to observe your thoughts.
That can be done while you are not meditating.
It is as easy as that.
Thought that would make it easier for you to start.
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david hobbs
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Now that you have read the post see how your thoughts effect your feelings.
That again involves thinking.
Observe those thoughts.
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meiah
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Can do that. I do that all the time anyway. I am an observer, of myself as well as others
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | | Can do that. I do that all the time anyway. I am an observer, of myself as well as others |
I did say you might find that easier.
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evergreen
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maybe meiah would benefit from a visual image rather than words to start her off? just a suggestion
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | | maybe meiah would benefit from a visual image rather than words to start her off? just a suggestion |
Maybe. Trouble is that the threads of the quickening are words only.
I have loads of visual meditations that I have used.
Up to Meiah really.
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meiah
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Am having a go at watching my thoughts first.....although you tend to see the results here
Kind of passive thinking if you like, a thought grabs me, and I wiffle off with that for a while
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | Am having a go at watching my thoughts first.....although you tend to see the results here
Kind of passive thinking if you like, a thought grabs me, and I wiffle off with that for a while |
Godd.
Now try watching your thoughts vanish.
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david hobbs
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BreathingOk for those who want to give it ago here is the simplest meditation of all
Some of you will have done this but I am thinkingmore of the people who find it difficult to loose themselves.
Make yourself comfortable
Relax and take half a dozen slow deep breaths.
Now breath normanly, in through the nose and out through the mouth
Observe the breath and only the breath as it enters the body hold it briefly after you have breathed in and also at the end of the out breath. watch the pauses, in a relaxed way.
Ten minutes is quite enough and this is an easy start but it has more depth than you would think.
Practice will bring change
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