This is a fascinating case a medium tried for witchcraft.

david hobbs · This is a fascinating case a medium tried for witchcraft.

Was this lady a scapegoat.

Did she give the best evidence ever of the powers of a true medium.

With the new legislation coming in take a look and wonder if this is a sign of things to come

http://www.helenduncan.org.uk/helenstory/witchcrafttrial.html

evergreen

I'm not sure she was a scape goat David... she by all reports was a magnificent medium though..WOW materialisation viewed by others is not that usual...

I'd love to have known her

david hobbs

evergreen

ooo of course.. so darn obvious I missed it.. hmm I might just do that...

now I have a question I read all of those articles on that site she is just totally fasinating am I right in say she manifested the spirits physically so something beyond trance???? where others were able to see them walking around the room??? I read and read and could never get it clear if she was explaining what was happening or if the others were seeing them too... that is so cool if it is - I'd totally stop feeling so strange if others could say yes I see that too

I know when I channel I ask that no one touches me (though I have been touched without problem) but I am guessing those burns she got have come from something far more powerful and removing than just trance channelling...

and I know your going to quote the above quote again David...

I shall try so hard to ask the source. I wonder if she is willing... ?

david hobbs

evergreen

oh that is right ... she is a wonder with things like that isnt' she... I'll ask her along the way thanks

Deb's

Hey there,

Helen Duncan is also one of my favourite mediums. It was because of Helen Duncan and Churchill that the Witchcraft act of 1735 was lifted.

Helen did perform physical mediumship in white light for all to see, she was indeed remarkable... seems mediumship is going backwards to me. Why cannot this be done today? Why can we not take photographs also?
The only physical medium I know today that can produce ectoplasm in white light is Jean Skinner.

The reason for the burns on Helen's skin is because the ectoplasm has re-entered her body too quickly (usually when disturbed). It acts like an elastic band would when released after being stretched. It can cause fatal damage to internal organs.

Take a look at this, I found it real interesting..... click on the You tube link where Alan Crossely talks about Helen Duncan.

http://www.thepsychictimes.com/zammit.htm

In my opinion Helen Duncan is a martyr, thanks to Helen Duncan and the influence of Winston Churchill, spiritualism was recognised as a religion and not whitchcraft.....

love & light,

Deb's. x

david hobbs

I think that Spiritualism has gone backwards because as with most things today it has been cheapened.

People want to go on a four day course, and declare themselves mediums ,unlike the old school who sat in circle under strict supervision, and trained for years to perfect their gift.

MacDonald's mediumship.

Instant gratification, and poor quality.

mark

Would be nice if old school mediums were able to help Younger mediums
maybe they do
my teacher is Young
but has old ways I dont actually no any old mediums
they all look Young to me!

david hobbs

Yes perhaps there is a lack of interest amongst the older generation of mediums to teach.
It is such a waste really.

Deb's

I don't think I could be 'taught' what Helen Duncan did. I think to a certain extent it is innate.

I don't think physical age matters, it's the soul growth that counts. Like you say Mark, young, but old ways.

As you say Mr Hobbs, there is alot to be said to sitting in a strict circle. I 'accidently' believe it or not, went on a 3 day course in mediumship. I honestly did not know that it was to 'train' to become a medium. Not my thing at all. Was an interesting long weekend.

Love & light,

mark

i think that mental mediumship is different for us individuals,i see symbols,and have had help in learning what they "could mean" by a teacher,who is able to have a wider "view" as to there meaning which is a personal thing but its good to see how others work,as i feel the more we read for people the better understanding we can get through experience

look at me 4 xample

i am well below average with my explanations on my experiences

this also hinders my mediumship

ok ill give the message full stop

but the way it is delivered counts as well

this is how i can learn ,i can be taught

thank god

david hobbs

There are natural born mediums who work in their own way and there are others who with a little help become good mediums.

The natural born mediums have all of the ability and probably learn discipline as the go along. The others often benefit by learning a system until they are comfortable with what they do.

The ones that always impress me are the ones who establish a link by giving accurate details from the past, and then move on to the present situation. Once that is done they then go on the the future.

I have always found this to be the clearest and most helpful type of reading.

I can never see the point of a medium giving lots of proof and no guidance.

Ian

i think guidance is the key, at the end of the day when people vist mediums what they really want is guidance , but as dave says accurate readings of their past is key also.

Deb's

I don't think we are meant to know our future. There is nothing wrong with being guided though.

I believe one of the most important things a medium does for a sitter is to bring through evidence of the afterlife for those who feel there isn't one. This of course is a personal thing for the sitter.

Tact and decorum is needed at all times during readings, this I find is what a lot of mediums lack.... even well known ones who are really good at connecting with spirit/the other side whatever you want to call it.

love & light,

david hobbs

Deb's

" Making people realise that there is more to life than we think for another" ..... not sure what you mean here Mr Hobbs?

I don't know about a spiritualist point of view, I am not a spiritualist but it is my view.

Why are we here? If we are here to learn lifes lessons whats the point of knowing the future? It would be like having the answer to an exam.... okay you have the knowledge, but then you lack the experience and in my opinion it is experience that makes us wise.

Of course mediums have far more to offer than proof of the after life but to me that's the most important.... not for me, but for those that think or believe that this is all there is.

love & light,

david hobbs

Deb's

I totally agree with you Mr Hobbs, except when you say 'Life after death is believable in total only to a person who has the kind of experiences that a medium has'..... I am not a meduim, and I totally believe that there is an afterlife.... seems even to silly to say afterlife... life is eternal whether it be here or on another 'plane'...

love & light,

evergreen

This discussion is right up my alley.. I guess I am one of those you are talking about I do all of these things but I don't' have the learning of guidance of experienced psychic/medium people around me in fact when ever I come across someone whom I think may link to in some way it just doesn't fit ...

At this time what I have come to decided for myself is that my clairvoyance is as important as my mediumship and channelling in some ways I felt it is more important.... Sometimes it appears to help sitter find the confidence in themselves to have a go instead of thinking it is all pointless....

I no longer ask people what kind of reading they are coming for I make no apologies for it being totaly about health or totally clairvoyant, or what ever- they are given what is needed. All readings are about healing no matter what the format.. I believe it is only people that have made the separate states of being psychic and that can actually limit them.. so in many ways I am glad to not have learned from someone else for that was/is for them and not necessarily for me

Personally I don't like the implication that being psychic and clairvoyant is somehow less important than being a medium- I get my clairvoyant messages from my medium skills- where do you think they come from?.....
an example of clairvoyance -I was told a young woman who came to me was going to be taking an audition for a major musical position I was told it would be the song choice that made all the difference and she had to sing a particular song I was given the name of the song she was to sing.. she has free will of course and had decided she didn't' like that song as much out of the choice of 6 she had and didn't learn it.... HOWEVER she was asked to sing it

... now that is guidance what she did with it was her choice. She was also given that is was important for her to pretty up for the audition .. this is psychic/clairvoyance and this is helpful information

Basically the sitter needs to take responsibility for their own lives

Deb's

Hi evergreen,

I'm a little confused.... did you hear a voice? or did you see someone telling you this information?

I do think there is a big difference between psychic and meduimship readings.... It sounds to me that your messages come from spirit not from your own mind, making it mediumship not psychic. Is this correct?

I agree that all readings are a form of healing, especially if you have no belief in the afterlife.

I think what you do is wonderful, I love reading about some of the stories you have shared, like the one above. Even though she was told to learn a certain song .... free will... yes... I wonder how she got on?

love & light,

david hobbs

david hobbs

Deb's

your so funny....

love & light,

Deb's

Yes, mediumship comes from spirit, we connect to spirit and spirit pass on information.

A psychic reading is done by reading the person, it does not come from spirit. A psychic will read the persons energy field or aura. Like with psychometry, the psychic reads the energy off the object they are holding.

Nothing wrong with psychic readings, they are cool, but when you compare them with meduimship readings.... well, I guess I just love the thought of 'spirit' passing on messages, guidance....

okay here's a question for you.... how can a psychic reader pass on guidance... where do the information come from for guidance?

Apart from health issues of course.... let's take the eurovision singer's example.... How would a pschic reader get this information?

love & light,

david hobbs

evergreen

I hear and see Debs, I call myself a psychic medium ....

I'd like some one to explain to me how a psychic can tell/predict the future by reading energy that is already there... surely it is the mediumship that gives them that skill??? I'm asking because I honestly just do it

As for my lovely young creative sitter
she got a recall to the audition in New York and one also for the one in Melbourne and has been asked to submit an application as song writer In new York- they gave her some advice about being more passionate with her singing (which she was also told in the reading

).... There are things coming for her lots of choices to be made because she will get many offers.... Basically when I do a reading for her I can really pinpoint some things while others are come through as not set... it is great fun to read for someones whose life is so fast paced with such success in it. She is also very good at keeping in touch with me and letting me know how she is going

david hobbs

evergreen

okay thanks David I did read your post I guess I was asking Debs too

I just do things I don't question what I do that much.... what I do question is how people have set beliefs about it , because personally I feel that it changes so often for me it is feels best to never say never and when it comes down to it no one is 100% certain where the "messages" come from even if you see them or hear them you can't be 100% sure

all I can be sure of is the information I am given

and if you take health readings for example .. I suppose they are energy readings but since your hear where or what the illness is, is that also mediumship or are we saying it is psychic?

Deb's

To me evergreen it is mediumship... the psychic part of the health reading can locate the illness as you can see or feel it in their energy field, but then if you hear 'clairaudience', that in my opinion comes from spirit... okay people may argue that it could be your own mind... the psyche, which is possible, but you yourself would know the difference.

I am my own medium Mr Hobbs. I have done readings for people but it's really not my thing, I am more interested in the machanics of it all. Who is this person I contact when I am in trance... my guide?, my higher self?, are we as one?, are there more of us in different dimentions?

It's more than just guides and angels and loved one that have crossed, much more, we are only just scratching the surface.....

What if for instance I have other realities running the same time as this one? Past Present & Future are all as one running simultaneously.... J
Just a thought....

love & light,

david hobbs

Deb's

What sort of an answer is... 'because they can'... would you like to elaborate Mr Hobbs?

I agree our belief systems are formed and materalise to make our own reality, we do indeed make our own reality according to the nature of our beliefs...

I know very little about majik... I would say if you believe in magic it's the belief that makes it work not the magic... but that's just my opinion, like I say, I know very little about it.

LOL.... I just thought.... from Helen Duncan to Magic.... lol... I love the way conversation grows.....

Mystical things intrigue me....

love & light,

evergreen

Deb's

Hi Evergreen,

I wouldn't worry about how you get the messages, sometimes it can confuse you. The less you know about the mechanics of it all, the more natural your readings will be.... Did you watch that clip of alan Crossley talking about Helen Duncan?.... he states that Helen never had a clue where these messages and 'manifestations' came from, only that they came, that was enough for her.

Namaste my friend,

david hobbs

Deb's

Hi Mr Hobbs,

I 'believe' in the after life, as you believe in your majik, but then I also strive for proof, I tell myself not to get the word belief muddled with the word truth...

Scientist have actually proven that life exists outside the physical body, that mind and brain are seperate....

Take a look at this clip, I think Michael Roll explains it all very well and the reasons why it's not out there in the media..... I think you may find it interesting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtHBEZbN6I&feature=related

love & light,

david hobbs

Do we have to buy the book in order to find if this theory holds water.

The way I see it is that the body is like a motor car and the spirit is the driver. When the vehicle wears out the driver moves on.

At least that would be my simple theory of survival.

whether I believe it or not is another matter.

Deb's

lol I use the same analogy... The body is a vehicle our spirit/soul/personality is the driver, when the vehicle packs in the driver walks home.

That's the second analogy we have used the same... (I have also used the waves one).

Also in trying to explain different vibration levels I liken it to helicopter blades.... you know they are there but when they are spinning so fast you can't see them, they are on a different vibrational level.

The point of that clip was that it's fact but the likes of religion and the government don't want it public.... it's about control, power....

Have you heard of zeitgeist? Now that's an interesting watch.... makes sense to me, but then what may interest me may not interest everyone. I suppose it interest me because I can relate to it.... I feel like.... 'yeah that's what I thought'.... now I am waffling... lol

love & light,

david hobbs

Regarding the video.

I do not think that the church could suppress evidence of life after death regardless of how rich they are.

This man is very intelligent and argues a good case but he is obviously a believer.

The idea of life on different Vibrational levels seems a good starting point for alternative existences.

It works fine for radio and television so why not consciousness?

Deb's

It makes perfect sense to me... think about it... when your communicating with spirit or just before you were able to, haven't you heard like white noise or had an oooing, humming in your ear? It's where you are changing vibrational levels to be able to communicate.

In the dream state our vibrational levels change... where do our consciousness go when we are sleeping... does it stay dorment in our physical? or is off exploring other vibrational levels?

Again... it has been proven that our consciousness does survive our physical death. If this is the case then what happens to our consciousness when we die?

love & light,