david hobbs
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The last thing I want to doI am looking for input.
I am on the verge of hiring a hall and holding quickening meetings.
I have chosen to do it because in all honesty it is the last thing that I want to do, so you see it is a must.
Quickening meets will invite anyone at all with anything to discuss either every day or spiritual or material etc, and that just ain't my thing. Hence the need to do it.
I will be adding the element of meditation and seeing where it goes.
The idea behind it is to give people a different perspective on their life situations.
After that I shall do as I have always done. Wing it.
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meiah
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So what input are you looking for?
It sounds perfectly mad as it is!! An I mean that in its truest sense
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david hobbs
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Excellent
That makes it a must do.
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mark
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bad idea dont do it it will lead to ..................
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david hobbs
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What?
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mark
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go for it dave i think it is a great idea 
not on a wednesday though mate
its unlukky,or to be honest i do my mediumshipo that day
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david hobbs
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It's looking like being a tuesday
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evergreen
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 enjoy ......
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Raymond
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What the hell is a 'quickening meeting'???
I thought that was something that happened to pregnant women when they have a bit of a funny turn.
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david hobbs
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I'm pleased you asked that Raymond because I don't have a clue.
The basic principle is that all are welcome to come and talk about anything they wish.
Plenty of people are facing problems alone and meeting others and talking about them often helps.
There would also be an element of meditation and self discovery.
yes it does sound nuts and it may not work, but i have to do it because I don't want too.
There will be no religion or proselytising. Just people coming together instead of fighting each other.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | The basic principle is that all are welcome to come and talk about anything they wish. |
Sounds a bit like a debating society. I was involved with a debating group many years ago.
There was 1 rule, we could talk about absolutely anything we liked except religion or politics.
Not a lot was said.
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david hobbs
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I don't see it as being a debating society. In fact it won't be.
It will be more of a discussion group.
a lot of people have never meditated in their lives and I have seen the changes that can come when people make self realsations.
We shall see.
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Raymond
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Well good luck with it. Are you planning on holding it close to where you live are more central?
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david hobbs
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It will be held at Southend on Sea.
What could be more central than that?
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | It will be held at Southend on Sea. |
Is all this a ploy so you can go boy-racing up and down the sea front?
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wackyjacky
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It's a shame I don't live closer to Southend, I woud've like to go. And to Mark's development too. 
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | It will be held at Southend on Sea. |
Is all this a ploy so you can go boy-racing up and down the sea front? |
I can't have any secrets around here can I.
I shall let you know how it goes with the bath chair Gti
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Raymond
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I wouldn't mind going and being the 'disruptive influence' and make Hobbsy work for his money.
Southend is a bit far and I did kind of promise the Police I would never go back when they asked me to leave 11 years ago.
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | I wouldn't mind going and being the 'disruptive influence' and make Hobbsy work for his money.
Southend is a bit far and I did kind of promise the Police I would never go back when they asked me to leave 11 years ago. |
That's a shame Raymond, but never mind.
Did the pub in Southend get a bit too lively Raymond?
Oh by the way you can be disruptive because the guy I am doing this with is a martial arts instructor and guess what.
He used to train above your old pub in Southend.
I have eyes and ears everywhere
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Raymond
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I don't think he trained above my pub during my watch.
Yes you could say the pub earned a bit of a 'reputation' while I was there. Ahhh, many an evening I have been carted off in the back of a meat wagon with a brawling Lesbian under each arm.
Happy days.
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | I don't think he trained above my pub during mt watch.
Yes you could say the pub earned a bit of a 'reputation' while I was there. Ahhh, many an evening I have been carted off in the back of a meat waggon with a brawling Lesbian under each arm.
Happy days. |
You're not supposed to take souvenirs to the police station
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Raymond
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But there's nothing quite like a brawling Lesbian, it has to be said.
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david hobbs
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Yes I have a couple on the telly.
I don't think much has changed at the Cliff.
The lesers are still punching lumps out of each other and the boys are still playing easy to get.
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Raymond
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Nice to know some things never change.
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david hobbs
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Back to the topic.
We have decided to use the Freight house at Rochford for our meets.
It's nice there but the problem is that it's fifty ponds a night. Still if it is under subscribed it can be moved. If we make a profit it will go to charity.
The basis is going to be a place where anyone can come and talk about their lives mixed with meditations on the Quickening, and of course discussion on the meditations should people wish to talk about it.
Disscusion will have one rule as follows. You cannot offer opinions without having first hand experience of the topic
Thing is I don't really have much idea on how to word any publicity that we shall be putting out.
We are non religious and will not preach our beliefs but if anyone wants to look deeper into what we are trying to teach then of course we will be only too pleased to oblige.
I have no idea if it will work and i do realise that some will come along just to show how clever they are.
We shall see.
Any ideas on wording the publicity would be welcome.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | It's nice there but the problem is that it's fifty ponds a night. |
Fifty ponds? What are you going to do with all those poor fish?
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | It's nice there but the problem is that it's fifty ponds a night. |
Fifty ponds? What are you going to do with all those poor fish? |
Oi u.
Opps pounds of course.
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david hobbs
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I have come up with the idea of heading the advertising thus.
ENQUIRE WITHIN..... look at your life through conversation and meditation.
A thirteen week course of self disscovery and change.
Good bad yucky.
What say you?
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Raymond
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Ok Hobbs, let's talk frank here.
As someone who has run many groups concerned with paranormally related subjects over the years there are a few things I need to point out before you start this group.
Let's call a spade a spade. Groups like this attract whack-jobs. They also attract the needy and desperate.
If that's the kind of thing you're going for, fine but I strongly suggest you instigate some kind of filter process to keep the nut-jobs at bay before you allow people in.
Regardless of how 'nice' or 'harmless' they may seem at the start they are always a pain in the arse in the long run.
I hate to have to say it (I don't really) but the kind of people who will find their way to this group will be people who have probably tried a multitude of religions and self help groups, who may be coming from some kind of substance abuse past and are basically looking for something or someone to run their lives for them. KEEP YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU!
I think you need to make the point of your group a lot clearer and include a phone number in the initial advertising rather than just throwing open the doors and seeing who turns up.
Make sure you include the price of any subs in the advertising as some people will argue over a couple of quid if they weren't aware of it.
They will also be expecting refreshments when they arrive so think about tea and coffee.
But basically, unless it's what you're looking for you really don't need some clingy weirdo following you around and ringing you up all the time expecting you to be some kind of guru or life coach - I've been there, and as flattering as it may sound it really is no fun.
Good luck Hobbs. Let me know if there's anything I can help with.
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david hobbs
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I agree and thank you for the advice.
I never did suffer clingers on gladly and frankly always find them embarrassing. No one will be given my telephone number.
If someone is a pain in the arse I shall point out to them that they are not welcome back.
We are not a paranormal group and the last thing I want is to give that impression so I will make that clear in the advertising.
We are stipulating a thirteen weeks only course so have the escape clause should we need it.
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Raymond
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Ok, you might want to drop the word 'course'.
'Course' implies they are going to actually learn something and while I'm sure you will impart many pearls of wisdom upon your subjects, 'course' makes it sound like some kind of academic study group with a recognised award upon completion.
'Limited Period Discussion Group' may work better.
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david hobbs
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Yes that sounds OK.
The idea is that they do learn thing about themselves but by themselves.
That can happen through disscusion and meditation.
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Raymond
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I can't wait to see how this thing pans out.
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david hobbs
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Neither can i.
I am no good with plans and have always been better making things work as I go along.
Perhaps I may get lucky and no one will show up.
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meiah
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No such chance. They'll come.
I like the "enquire within" bit. I also take Raymonds points about nut-jobs. Maybe say "self discovery and empowerment" or something like that. It will filter out those who want the answers on a plate.
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | No such chance. They'll come.
I like the "enquire within" bit. I also take Raymonds points about nut-jobs. Maybe say "self discovery and empowerment" or something like that. It will filter out those who want the answers on a plate. |
The word empowerment always sounds a bit fingers down throat to me.
Something like that is what I need.
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Raymond
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I agree. Empowerment is one of those politically correct words for people who probably aren't emotionally strong enough to be empowered by anything.
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | I agree. Empowerment is one of those politically correct words for people who probably aren't emotionally strong enough to be empowered by anything. |
Now this is a dilemma.
I have to agree totally with Raymond.
Still I'm of out soon so perhaps I shall recover my senses after a while.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | Now this is a dilemma.
I have to agree totally with Raymond. |
You want to keep an eye on that Hobbs.
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | Now this is a dilemma.
I have to agree totally with Raymond. |
You want to keep an eye on that Hobbs. |
I have health insurance.
Perhaps I can get it sorted.
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meiah
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Yeah. I shuddered as I typed it. Couldn't think of a better word though that everyone understands.
Go with your original words, or just say what it does.
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david hobbs
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I think the old expression was "self confidence".
I think I will cut the new age crap and use that.
I dislike the empowerment nonsense because it is so sugar coated and yank that it makes your teeth hurt.
When you consider that most of mine are removable it gives you an idea just how sugary That is.
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evergreen
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try not to judge the whole thing before it even starts David- it will evolve as the group needs it to
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Raymond
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| evergreen wrote: | | try not to judge the whole thing before it even starts David- it will evolve as the group needs it to |
Yeah, all down the pub by half eight on the piss.
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evergreen
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and what would be wrong with that - maybe Dave needs more socialising :)
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | | try not to judge the whole thing before it even starts David- it will evolve as the group needs it to |
Yes I agree with that evergreen.
Each group will have it's own dynamic and I feel that you have to work within that dynamic even if it means changing from your original concept.
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Raymond
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Yes, even if it turns into a complete freak show.
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david hobbs
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I don't know if you have looked out of your window of late but life is a freak show.
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beantighe
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Oh I've laughed myself silly reading this one! You two are like Laurel and Hardy!
How did it go, David? Did you get the group up and running? It sounded an interesting idea, but I can't get the vision of Raymond with a lesbian tucked under each arm out of my head!
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david hobbs
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He is a serial lesbian collector. Never actually been prosecuted for it but has run a bit close to the wind on occasions.
Strange thing about this group thing. It has made me take stock of exactly where i am and what are my motives for starting this group.
Know what. Upon examination I think it is time that I changed what I do and what I try to learn.
Over the years my teacher has gone from mystic/shaman to psychotherapist and I prefer the shaman/mystic.
Twelve years or more I have been with him and I now have to make some pretty tough decisions. I feel that I have ceased to learn. Not his fault but mine.
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beantighe
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I'm sorry to hear that, David. But don't despair, we all get bogged down and stuck at various times in our lives, when everything seems to be stagnant and nothing is happening. Sometimes this 'time out' is what we need, and the hardest thing is having the patience and stillness to wait for something new to come to us. It's easy to feel powerless in this void, but try to see the empty space as an invitation for something new and important to come and fill it. The Universe is in constant motion, so I'm sure this uncertainty is only temporary, David.
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meiah
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Why do you say "not his fault, but mine"? Where is the fault?
He has guided you, taught you, but he is not you, nor can he be. He has chosen his direction, it doesn't have to be yours.
Thats nobodys fault or failing.
So, what happening with the group?
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david hobbs
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I will be calling the other two people that are going to start it with me and see what their thoughts are on the matter.
The thing is I can only teach my way and from my experiences and I am supposed to be teaching his way.
He poo poo's everything that I do in the paranormal and see's it as a distraction from the teachings.
I enjoy what I do and have no intention of giving it up and so their is a conflict of interests.
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meiah
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So it won't work in that format.
I wonder why he poo-poo's the paranormal stuff?
Isn't it another way of working, not right or wrong, just a different direction?
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david hobbs
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He claims to be teaching from a space of enlightenment.
It that space I suppose you see things differently.
I only know what I have seen from the space that I occupy
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mark
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| david hobbs wrote: | I will be calling the other two people that are going to start it with me and see what their thoughts are on the matter.
The thing is I can only teach my way and from my experiences and I am supposed to be teaching his way.
He poo poo's everything that I do in the paranormal and see's it as a distraction from the teachings.
I enjoy what I do and have no intention of giving it up and so their is a conflict of interests. |
with all due respect david why do you have to teach his way,may i ask please?
doesnt one learn and then put ones own thoughts towards teaching,as we are all individuals does one have to do things a set way?
shouldnt we be flexible and take what sits with us individually so as we can teach what we feel as surely our "feelings" are what makes us so unique and we can adapt
but
then i presume a teacher sets standards that one should maybee adhere to ,do they no something that we dont,do they set tests that we need to go with ,maybee thats what you are supposed to find out
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by using your own inituitive is what a teacher is looking for .maybee thats the test ........
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david hobbs
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He is specific about the format of meetings and one problem is that I am a spontaneous person.
I literally make it up as I go along.
I do so because I find that no two people or two situations are alike and if I impose will on a situation then I am restricting the possibilities within that situation and of course that person.
I don't like being restricted and never have. It has been a problem over the years but it has also brought experiences into my life that most could only think untrue.
Good bad and downright unbelievable.
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meiah
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| david hobbs wrote: | He claims to be teaching from a space of enlightenment.
It that space I suppose you see things differently.
I only know what I have seen from the space that I occupy |
How wonderful to be so enlightened that anothers experiences can be so easily dismissed. I would not know, I do not claim to be enlightened.
Would it be Ok to teach your perspective of his way, which is all you can do anyway, not being him?
Funny how so many of us learn so much from you, from learning to see things from our perspective of yours.
Has the group started? Can you ask them what they would like to learn? Offer them multiple views in order for them to form their own. Is that not the main point of it?
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david hobbs
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I think that's a good idea.
I will roll it past the others two and see what they think.
Funny thing is that every time I set a starting date something crops up to prevent it happening.
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meiah
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| david hobbs wrote: | He is specific about the format of meetings and one problem is that I am a spontaneous person.
I literally make it up as I go along.
I do so because I find that no two people or two situations are alike and if I impose will on a situation then I am restricting the possibilities within that situation and of course that person.
I don't like being restricted and never have. It has been a problem over the years but it has also brought experiences into my life that most could only think untrue.
Good bad and downright unbelievable. |
I don't teach that often, but when I do , I start with a structure. I have never yet got past the first tea break before that goes out of the window and we move into a freeflow that covers everything that everyone wants, in a way that suits everyone there, and somehow by the end we have still done everything, but in a way that (hopefully) makes some sense. The experience becomes more than the "teaching", and so we learn in our own way, from our own experience... all of us....myself as a "teacher" included (if not more so).
Perhaps if each plays to their strengths, but with respect for each other, it will work well.
It seems right that this hasn't started until this is all bedded down.
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beantighe
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Meiah made the same point I was thinking of about enlightenment. To claim to be enlightened, and then pour scorn on someone else, is not my idea of enlightenment! I don't think I'd have lasted 12 minutes with this person, let alone 12 years! I'm too feisty and stubborn, and I never take anyone's word for it without asking Why? I'd be every teacher's worst nightmare, lol!
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