david hobbs
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The future and spiritHas anyone ever asked their guides what lies in store for them or humanity in general in the future.
If not, give it a go and let us know the answers.
Perhaps I may even have a go myself.
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Raymond
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What makes you think they know? One of the things we have to get over is this idea that guides are these infallable, 'all-seeing' 'all-knowing' beings of wisdom.
They are still on their learning curve just like us, it's just that they've finished their physical cycle and have now moved onto their spiritual cycle.
I know people who literally pray to their guides - wtf???
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david hobbs
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So then the spiritualist idea that there is no time in spirit must be wrong then, and in fact spirit are as tied in time as we are.
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evergreen
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All the talk about 2012 has come from people trying to "find out" about the future of humanity- hmm I've over that David not meaning to be so rude to others but it is something that I always feel holds little bearing on my life because if it is definitely going to happen what does it achieve to tell me/us about it
Praying to your guides - well what ever makes you happy I suppose?
I was told there was no time in spirit too, but it confused me as then why do you get told when things will happen and the time frame to things?
I did a medium reading the other day and the young boy came through at age 12 was telling lots about when he passed and his auntie in front of me and then said he use to be 4 when he died  he definitely did come through showing himself grow and then she said eh would actually be 12 if he was alive.
So what does it mean? My jury if still out I'm not sure and I don't' think it really matters
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david hobbs
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I know you are never rude Evergreen, and if you were I would simply cover the huge poster of you that I have on the wall over my desk, for a short while anyway 
The thing about no time in spirit is to me a great escape route for mediums who get it wrong.
I have lost count of the times I have heard mediums use the expression"well hold on to that dear" What they mean is "Oh bugger,Wrong again'
I know I always seem to knock mediums and I certainly have no time for nonsense. I hold many mediums I know in the highest regard and I don't hear them saying "hold on to that"
I wonder where the concept of no time in spirit comes from, after all they, in theory enter spirit and leave spirit, so there seems to be a sequence of sorts.
Some say that spirits can return to a time in what would have been their past from their previous physical life. It's all very confusing.
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Deb's
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It's not that there is no time in spirit it's that the concept of time is different to ours. They do not exist in any time framework as we know it.
Minutes, hours or even years has no meaning although they are aware of our time framework and take them into account when communicating. Otherwise they would not be understood.
As for going back in time and forward in time etc... well I believe the past present and future are one. We exist in the midst of many other systems of reality, but we do not perceive them. It's hard to explain.
As for praying to your guide... define praying.... I believe in the power of prayer.... I ask my 'guide' for signs all the time... and I get them. Is this praying to my guide?
love & light,
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | What makes you think they know? One of the things we have to get over is this idea that guides are these infallible, 'all-seeing' 'all-knowing' beings of wisdom.
They are still on their learning curve just like us, it's just that they've finished their physical cycle and have now moved onto their spiritual cycle.
I know people who literally pray to their guides - wtf??? |
Catholics pray to various saints hoping for various outcomes so I see no difference in that or praying to a guide.
I suppose that it seems odd because in our Church of England society we are taught to pray to God no guides.
I feel that at the end of the day we are simply putting out a request and I am sure you will agree that those requests are often met.
Personally I think you could pray to Mickey Mouse and still get a result if done in the correct frame of mind.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: |
Personally I think you could pray to Mickey Mouse and still get a result if done in the correct frame of mind. |
Of course you could. The power of prayer comes from within not without. As soon as these silly people realise there is no Jesus oe Allah or Buddah or whatever the better off we'll all be.
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Samjaza
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| Raymond wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: |
Personally I think you could pray to Mickey Mouse and still get a result if done in the correct frame of mind. |
Of course you could. The power of prayer comes from within not without. As soon as these silly people realise there is no Jesus oe Allah or Buddah or whatever the better off we'll all be. |
But maybe there was Jesus and Allah and Buddha. But because they are different entities people cannot see the common factor of wisdom.
All Gods are One God essentially, All prophets are One.
Anyway. Haven't spoke to spirits for a while. Last unplanned Flash I got was a very uplifting moment when I heard what sounded like an angelic choir, though in truth it sounded like a choir singing some notes through a very long and large pipe, a bit like whale noises but definately human. Definately esoteric as when this continued I felt a large buzz/rap in the back of my head and thought I was being called. 
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david hobbs
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It is not what the prophets say which is usually simple enough for a child to understand.
It is the unending analysing and interpretation and crap in general that we load onto that simplicity.
We do not feel comfortable with simple truth so we dress it up until it is totally hidden from us.
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evergreen
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Cripes David you are pretty guilty of that
not that you dress it up but you do anaylise it
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david hobbs
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| evergreen wrote: | Cripes David you are pretty guilty of that
not that you dress it up but you do anaylise it |
I supose you need the noise before you find the silence you are seekng.
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evergreen
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yeah I know what you mean.. I have gone back to not needing to know things I get too many people coming to me wanting answers to so many questions I can see the confusion in their minds-
Never stop learning but somehow I think it is about balancing the anaylising with trusting
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | What makes you think they know? One of the things we have to get over is this idea that guides are these infallable, 'all-seeing' 'all-knowing' beings of wisdom.
They are still on their learning curve just like us, it's just that they've finished their physical cycle and have now moved onto their spiritual cycle.
I know people who literally pray to their guides - wtf??? |
Been thinking about this.
I have seen(or been shown) the future on more than one occasion. Was this from spirit because at the time I was a Spritualist or was it from somwhere else?
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Raymond
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Oh-er! And what future were you shown Mr. Hobbs?
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | Oh-er! And what future were you shown Mr. Hobbs? |
Well for the most it was seeing people before I actualy met them.
Usualy the gap in between seeing in the mind and in the flesh was about one week.
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meiah
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Is there only one future then....or are there infinate possibilities / paths we may take?
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david hobbs
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Can anyone really answer that question?
We play with such ideas but at the end of the day they are unknown quantities.
If you want an opinion I would say that withiin the potential that manifests all, we have all possibilities at once.
Our mind dictates which of those possibilities manifests.
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meiah
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Yes!!!
So how can spirit show you the future? Or is it the most likely one given the path you are currently treading?
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david hobbs
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Well, based on the manifesting potentail through concious movement idea, we manifest spirit, and see them as seperate from us.
If they are of us, or perhaps we are of them, then our positions are in flux permanantly.
Perhaps that is time wise too.
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meiah
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Or perhaps there are no positions, its just a difference of where our consciousness is working from
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david hobbs
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Yes that's it.
Another bit of baggage gone.
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meiah
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No need for that....I had to go to work
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