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laura

switching of magnetic poles

could it be the reason for peoples increased "sensitivity" and the effective use of healing?
  the magnetic poles are due to switch at any time (every 10,000 years) the poles are already 8 degrees off the original axis.
the more i think about this phenomena the more i consider if there is a connection to the mayan calender only going to 2012.... did they calculate when the next switch would happen??
  and do we know what effect  this will have on us ...apart from our compasses not working??
Raymond

So will we become the Southern Hemisphere and have silly things like Christmas in the Summer like the aussies do?

I wouldn't like that at all.
laura

Raymond wrote:
So will we become the Southern Hemisphere and have silly things like Christmas in the Summer like the aussies do?

I wouldn't like that at all.


  umm....no!   it's the magnetic poles! (the core of the earth changing the way it rotates)  but one things for sure.... i'm not keen on the idea of flying till it has changed.... if you happened to be in an airplane when it changed ........well quite frankly.... you'd be buggered!!!!
Raymond

Will east still be east and west, west?
meiah

So do we just grind to a halt, and then start spinning the other way? Would that change north to south, or would we just spin the other way?

I need more info
Raymond

Yes so do I.

Laura I'm not sure if you're aware of the finer workings of witchcraft but in order for a Witch to do what a Witch does he/she has to know exactly which way is North, South, East and West at all times.

You said it will mess up our compasses, my compass is one of my most important tools.

What is going on here?
laura

basically the earth will continue to spin as per usual the north pole will still be in the same place! however the magnetic north(what our compass is set to) will change to south.
 will see if i can find some better information for you later.
Raymond

laura wrote:
the magnetic north(what our compass is set to) will change to south.


Now I'm really confused.

Should I start stocking up on Smash and tinned fruit?
laura

Raymond wrote:

Should I start stocking up on Smash and tinned fruit?


  some seem to think so! ....especially the Americans... apparently many have left their jobs and have joined a "survival group".. and are stock piling food !  
  scientists feel that there is nothing to worry about.... but admit that they do not really know what effect it will have on us.. hey ho!
Kas

does this mean all current compasses will become defunct? Could be a little earner to be had here.  
laura

Kas wrote:
does this mean all current compasses will become defunct? Could be a little earner to be had here.  


   yep!  go for it kas!! Big Grin
Waffle King

It's only a slight magnetic field change, worse things happen in the sol system, the only thing it'll really affect on us humans (other then the compasses pointing the wrong way) is that the birds will migrate in different directions and cr*p on the boots of our cars rather then the bonet, it's really nothing to worry about (unless your a goose or a pigion)  Big Grin
Raymond

What to you mean when you say the compasses will point the other way. If I want to know where north is will to point to the south?
I'm so confused.
evergreen

I don't think the effect will be that seen at all Raymond though I've heard so many ramblings and channellings about 2012 I'm over it.. a bit like the 2000 bug  a big nothing...
Waffle King

Raymond wrote:
What to you mean when you say the compasses will point the other way. If I want to know where north is will to point to the south?
I'm so confused.


would you like a very simple simple picture?

     N
E ------  W
     S

^^That is todays compass Raymond, how it looks now right? When the poles switch it'll look like this

      S
E---------W
      N

^^ Thats where the magnetic north pole will be, and south will be true north (0.0 Long-Lat)

does that makes things clearer for you? or shall we just go pole to pole like Palin?
Raymond

Don't take the piss Waffle or I will turn you into a Toad.

So let me get this right.

If I used a current compass, and wanted to face North, the little green bit on the dial will point to South but that will really be North?

Also, If I currently face North in a certain corner of a room, will that corner still be North after the switch or would I need to go to the opposite corner?

Oh honestly,...

Why can't they just leave things alone?
david hobbs

Waffle King wrote:
Raymond wrote:
What to you mean when you say the compasses will point the other way. If I want to know where north is will to point to the south?
I'm so confused.


would you like a very simple simple picture?

     N
E ------  W
     S

^^That is todays compass Raymond, how it looks now right? When the poles switch it'll look like this

      S
E---------W
      N

^^ Thats where the magnetic north pole will be, and south will be true north (0.0 Long-Lat)

does that makes things clearer for you? or shall we just go pole to pole like Palin?



   
Fire_Dragon

Raymond wrote:
in order for a Witch to do what a Witch does he/she has to know exactly which way is North, South, East and West


Pi**ed off witch, remove compass an split, no more problem  

Fire Dragon
Raymond

I'm sorry Fire Dragon but I'm afraid I don't speak moron.

Please explain.
Kas

david hobbs wrote:
Waffle King wrote:
Raymond wrote:
What to you mean when you say the compasses will point the other way. If I want to know where north is will to point to the south?
I'm so confused.


would you like a very simple simple picture?

     N
E ------  W
     S

^^That is todays compass Raymond, how it looks now right? When the poles switch it'll look like this

      S
E---------W
      N

^^ Thats where the magnetic north pole will be, and south will be true north (0.0 Long-Lat)

does that makes things clearer for you? or shall we just go pole to pole like Palin?



   


No it won't. North will still be north and south, south.
West if left btw.

It's just the needle will point south.
That's if this is true?
meiah

This from http://www.pureenergysystems.com/.../02/27/6900064_Magnet_Pole_Shift/


Earth Magnetic Field Reversal
Possible energy ramifications of diminishing magnetic field.  How long will it linger at zero before reversing? [Feedback: legal ramifications for official land/title survey]

by Mary-Sue Haliburton
Pure Energy Systems News

Seeing the powerful earthquakes such as the December 26th, 2004 event that triggered the tsunami disaster, people are looking for possible causes for the apparent instability of earth's crust. "End-times" alarmists and backyard researchers believe that the predicted imminent reversal of the earth's magnetic field may be a significant clue to these eschatological-scale events.

Scientists have been observing changes in the direction of earth's magnetic field which took place recently as well as in the distant past. NASA’s website features a map showing the gradual northward migration of the north magnetic pole in the past century and a half. Since more than double the time interval has elapsed since the last reversal, compared to the time lapse between the previous two pole reversals, some believe we may be overdue for the next north-south flip. (1,2) However, though the interval between reversals of the Earth’s magnetic field can be as short as 5,000 years, it can also be as long as 50 million years. There does not seem to be any logic or rule governing the planet’s behavior.

It is not only the direction but also the strength of this magnetic field that is a concern. In the time of dinosaurs, at an estimated 2.5 gauss, it was eighty percent stronger than it is now. This may have been one of the reasons such gigantic life forms thrived. It is now accepted that a catastrophic event ended the reign of giant reptiles. However, they did not re-evolve to equivalent dimensions. And the disappearance of mammalian “mega-fauna” in more recent times is still considered to be a mystery. The mastodons and mammoths would have towered over modern elephants. Why are there so few large terrestrial animals today?

The smaller average size of modern animals may be due to the gradual decline of Earth's "steady state" (as opposed to “pulsed”) magnetism. Thousands of years ago the Chinese, with their astute discovery of bio-electrical energy flows known as “meridians”, learned that magnetism promotes vigor in biological life. They used magnetic rocks in medical treatment. In the past century there has been a further decline of earth's magnetic field by another five percent down to only 0.5 gauss. This has led Dr. Dean Bonlie to identify a "magnetic deficiency syndrome" resulting from the biological stress caused by the weakening of this "energy base" for life. (3)

The weakening of earth’s magnetism is one of the factors believed to be predictive of a pole reversal. That magnetic field reversals have occurred in the past is confirmed in the geological record. What is unclear is how precisely the transition occurs, and what happens to life forms extant at the time of this pole flip.

Does the magnetic field drop to zero gauss? Dire predictions follow upon the heels of this theory. Electronic devices would all be at risk: there may be damage to, or complete loss of, all near-earth-orbiting satellites and possibly the space station itself. Effects on life forms could range from migrating birds losing their sense of direction to immune system decline and even widespread die-off from radiation-induced cancers.

Losing its protective magnetic envelope, the atmosphere would expand and become thinner, possibly leading to altitude sickness near sea level. No longer filtered out, deadly cosmic rays would kill most if, not all, living creatures on the surface. Only those living in deep caves would be safe. This scenario has prompted some to build underground bunkers in hopes of surviving.

Countering this frightening vision, NASA predicts that, rather than declining to zero gauss, the magnetic field would become disordered. Thus we might for short time have more than one north and south pole on the planet. This official scientific stance says that the magnetosphere which shields us from cosmic radiation would not entirely disappear either. Thus, while communications would be erratic and perhaps at times completely inactivated, humans would find ways to survive. However, there are dissenters in the ranks, pointing to the vast South Atlantic magnetic anomaly and radiation damage to satellites over that region attributed to weakening of the protective magnetosphere. (4)

The disorderly-flip theory is supported by evidence from geology that in past reversals the decline was not total. Lava flows that solidified at Steen's Mountain during a lengthy reversal process show that the magnetic poles wandered across the equator three times. Though strength of the field was reduced to about 20% of maximum, there is no record that it fell to zero gauss during that transitional period. (5)

The theory that activity in the turbulent molten outer iron core of the planet generates its magnetic field currently dominates scientific thinking. Stormy activity deep in the earth's outer core, believed to be filled with roiling convection flows of molten iron, is understood to generate the planet’s magnetic field. Such violent seething could affect the mantle as well, possibly disturbing the earth's crust and causing the quakes.

However, there is an alternate theory of how the magnetic field is generated. In his article, "Origin of the Earth's Magnetic Field", Ernest McFarlane outlines gaps in the molten-iron convection theory. He proposes a system of electronic cells in a crystalline metal core with hot spots of heavy metals releasing alpha and beta particles. Due to the high heat the alpha particles are unable to combine with the free electrons. "Consequently an electron current flow is produced and conditions are set up for the generation of current loops throughout the inner and outer core. ... magnetic fields are produced as a consequence, in accordance with the right hand rule of electromagnetic theory." (5)

Which theory is right? We may find out from experience sooner than we can come to amicable agreement, given the conflicting theories and computer models. The actual dynamics may include aspects of both, or new insights not yet fully developed.

The sun reverses its magnetic field like clockwork every eleven years at the peak of the sunspot cycle. The next solar flip is due in 2012. South-pointing magnetic flux moves from sunspots, which are intense magnetic loops near the equator of the sun, along “meridional flows” to the north magnetic pole, and vice versa. As the oppositely-directed charge accumulates at the poles the field declines, until eventually the reverse charge predominates.

Scientists point out that the heliosphere does not wink out of existence during this reversal. The sunspots are intense magnetic knots, much stronger than the star’s main field, which continue to spiral outward even when the main dipole field vanishes briefly. Though the solar magnetic reversal is not completely understood, the Ulysses space probe has sent back detailed data which has supplied answers to many questions. (6)

The mechanism that controls earth's field reversals may not be based on similar principles. For one thing, a planet does not seem to have any equivalent to the powerful sunspots. McFarlane refers to there being more than one north-south pole system and about 10% of the total field being involved in smaller extra fields. If these subordinate minor magnetic fields take up more of the magnetic activity during the main field’s decline, they might become active enough to sustain a minimal protective layer shielding the biosphere, even if the main dipole field declines to zero gauss. This could be important for our survival, as the Steen’s mountain lava flows indicate that the reversal took 4,500 years to be completed! (5)

IMPLICATIONS FOR HUMANITY’S ENERGY NEEDS

Whether the magnetic field is primarily molten-metal flow dynamics or electron current loops, or a combination of those and other factors, a magnetic pole reversal may be of significance to the search for clean energy generation and transportation. If earth magnetic anomalies become more frequent or are concentrated in certain areas, we could see disruption of existing electrical grids, even without the dramatic atmosphere expansion and radiation damaging to life and computers.

PES Network Inc. wants to encourage people in all geographical regions to participate in magnetic-pole data collection and reporting. A community-editable directory page at PESWiki.com has been created for this purpose. It is recommended that you first establish a “base line” by determining the accurate magnetic north reading for your location, and report the number of degrees and direction of any deviation from this norm. If you are able to access equipment to determine field strength as well, this additional data would be of interest too.

This data may be useful in helping inventors and researchers test the tolerance of Zero-point technologies, magnetic motors and other new generation systems in adverse situations. As we may have to live through ongoing magnetic disturbance for a long time, we will need to know whether the new systems will be robust under conditions of planetary pole reversal.

Ordinary citizens do not usually have access to instrumentation that would allow them to examine the deeper layers of the planet, nor the high atmosphere, nor the magnetospheres in space. However, if many people collect observations on magnetic field direction from different locations across the continent of North America, and indeed around the world, this data may become relevant in more ways than feeding "end-time" theorizing.

The subject is complex, and whichever scenario may be about to occur, some individuals have been taking note of unusually large fluctuations in the apparent position of the magnetic north pole. Using a large, stationary, home-built compass, one individual in western Canada noticed a ten-degree variation within a few days. This was so unusual that, concerned about a sudden pole shift, he described and published his observations, and asked for input.

No one else was seeing this rapid "pole shift".

On borrowing a very sensitive water-filled portable compass and quartering the area, he discovered that this was indeed a highly localized anomaly in which his domicile happened to be situated dead center. See his recorded readings at the link below. (8) He is now theorizing that the phenomenon may be a vortex related to the nearby extinct volcano Mount Ida. (9) Vortices have been known to occur in volcanic mountain areas, and in the past some have become tourist attractions.

Individual observations are of value, but need to be balanced by additional data from a much wider geographical area. Thus alarms about sudden general "pole shift" may be put to rest, and anomalies studied for what they are.

Ted Twietmeyer is one of those calling for volunteers to join in a non-profit effort (10) to track the magnetic pole shift -- or apparent pole shift. Summaries and links to this data would be appropriate for the above-mentioned PESWiki directory.
meiah

Or check out Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
Raymond

Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my...

I'm sure if and when this thing happens it will be all over the news. I'll worry about it then.

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