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david hobbs

Stones and royalty

Due to the  king Athelstan trail that I am following I have come upon the fact that many kings of England and other countries were crowned whilst sitting upon a stone.  I find that interesting because of it's obvious connection with paganism.  it is as though a link of the  prehistoric stone culture has  come down to us over thousands of years.  These crowning stones are held in great reverence even to this day  I wonder if I track down the homes of these stones if they will have anything to tell me.

http://www.aboutscotland.co.uk/stone/destiny.html
meiah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone

I had always known it as the Stone of Scone
meiah

You can visit the Irish Stone of Destiny on the hill of Tara. And yes, it will show you things................

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa116/meiah_album/200208.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_F%C3%A1il
laura

looks like a fossilised giant!!!!!!!!!  
meiah

A fossilised giant what?
david hobbs

Thank you Meiah.  that is a real eye opener for me.  Our fathers fathers fathers new about stone.  We have lost touch with it.  Perhaps it is time to touch a few stones.  Imagine the potential for psychometry that lies within these stones.  What could they tell us.  It may sound silly but to me it is no different from information being retrieved from a computers memory.
meiah

When I was at Tara, I harvested an essence (just let that go for now). It is called "Tara". Try triggering it by saying Tara three times. May not work for you, but then, it may  
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone

I had always known it as the Stone of Scone



I worked in the grounds of Scone Palace a few times but never got to see the stone.
david hobbs

Oddest thing.

I saw that intention had been put into the stone, but that of course would be obvious to an idiot.

I felt that this stone came from a time when seers realised that the old ways were giving away to the new.  They realised that this was a natural process in the evolution of things so they put a kind of anchor within the stone.  It's purpose was to act as a a pivitol point.  We will always orbit this point but never loose contact with it.   When we finish our "evolution" the stone will always bring us back to the beggining.  To what we are.  Perhaps that is what is meant by the return of the golden age.  Who knows.  It is also a good analogy of our lives and our deaths.  Death being tha pivtol point.  A kind of law in stone if you like.

Blighmey.

Female Goddes connected.
david hobbs

I am such a dummy.  I have just realised that this entire site is about the going and the coming of the Sun.  That would have influenced the olden ones in all things especialy in relationship to our own life cycles from birth to death.
meiah

When I was was there, I had a feeling of permanence, of agelessness, that this was the centre of things, overseeing, detatched and yet integrally a part of events, movement, growth.
Sad and yet rejoicing. Almost a parental feeling, that moment of letting go and yet always there.

(I guess thats what you just said, David, but from slightly different place)
meiah

Both teh trigger and the picture are open to everyone to work with, if you choose. And if you choose to, please share any thoughts here.
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
When I was was there, I had a feeling of permanence, of agelessness, that this was the centre of things, overseeing, detatched and yet integrally a part of events, movement, growth.
Sad and yet rejoicing. Almost a parental feeling, that moment of letting go and yet always there.

(I guess thats what you just said, David, but from slightly different place)


Great Wakering to be precise

In a way a description of eternity.

Thank you Meiah.  If you wish to tell us more about your course and how it worked I am sure we would all find it of interest.  Naturaly If it is private then that's OK too
meiah

The course looked at how we interact with everything around us, and how we view that thing (subconsciously).
It was an energy therapy course......the basis of which was that everything has a vibration. That vibration affects us in different ways (and so hence we are constantly affected by our environment, whether we recognise it consciously or not). These vibrations can be used therapeutically.

For example, if someone is afraid of spiders, you could "show" them the vibration of someone who loves spiders, and so that vibration would come into their consciousness.
Or you could show them an essence of "spider", so they could start to see spiders from the spiders point of view.
In many ways, healing is still a choice. They could choose to not connect to that vibration. They could find that it challenged their own preconceptions so much that they may choose not to deal with it. Or they could choose to accept it, and change the way they view spiders.

One of the most effective "essences" is simply that of the person who has come for a treatment. To show someone how you view them, (or from a "non" perspective) to show them their own strengths and weaknessess from a different point of view can be wonderful. (Kas - it is Red, Blue, Green but with a difference)

Maybe we could play with a few essences on the bit where you test yourself.

The thing is with this, is there is no right or wrong, it is your view.

On the course, we each "harvested" the essence of an object of our choosing, from whatever we had knocking around, just to check we had the gist of it, and then tried them out on each other.
Essence of Mobile Phone was fascinating. Individual reactions were different, but as a group, it invoked feelings of loneliness, isolation, reaching out, connection, instability, freedom etc etc. All of these from the "testers" who did not know beforehand what the essence was.
Place essences (such as Tara) often have emotional as well as historical connections.
People also work in different ways, and on different levels.
Personally, I rarely visualise, but I do feel, experience, search, question, explore, verbalise and so my view is different to someone who "sees" etc

Does that make any sense?
david hobbs

I think I get it.

No.  Got to read it again
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
The course looked at how we interact with everything around us, and how we view that thing (subconsciously).
It was an energy therapy course......the basis of which was that everything has a vibration. That vibration affects us in different ways (and so hence we are constantly affected by our environment, whether we recognise it consciously or not). These vibrations can be used therapeutically.

observation *******
I don't see how external vibrations can give a person a fear of spiders
I feel that WE are constantly affecting the environment around us. .******


For example, if someone is afraid of spiders, you could "show" them the vibration of someone who loves spiders, and so that vibration would come into their consciousness.


Observation******
This may have nothing to do with essences but rather intent.  The intent of the healer*******


Or you could show them an essence of "spider", so they could start to see spiders from the spiders point of view.

observation*******
So do they look through a spiders eyes?*******


In many ways, healing is still a choice. They could choose to not connect to that vibration. They could find that it challenged their own preconceptions so much that they may choose not to deal with it. Or they could choose to accept it, and change the way they view spiders.

One of the most effective "essences" is simply that of the person who has come for a treatment. To show someone how you view them, (or from a "non" perspective) to show them their own strengths and weaknessess from a different point of view can be wonderful. (Kas - it is Red, Blue, Green but with a difference)


Observation******* how is this achieved?****



Maybe we could play with a few essences on the bit where you test yourself.

Comment*******
Oh yes please*******

The thing is with this, is there is no right or wrong, it is your view.

On the course, we each "harvested" the essence of an object of our choosing, from whatever we had knocking around, just to check we had the gist of it, and then tried them out on each other.
Essence of Mobile Phone was fascinating. Individual reactions were different, but as a group, it invoked feelings of loneliness, isolation, reaching out, connection, instability, freedom etc etc. All of these from the "testers" who did not know beforehand what the essence was.

Observation****** intent?



Place essences (such as Tara) often have emotional as well as historical connections.
People also work in different ways, and on different levels.
Personally, I rarely visualise, but I do feel, experience, search, question, explore, verbalise and so my view is different to someone who "sees" etc

Does that make any sense?
meiah

david hobbs wrote:
meiah wrote:
The course looked at how we interact with everything around us, and how we view that thing (subconsciously).
It was an energy therapy course......the basis of which was that everything has a vibration. That vibration affects us in different ways (and so hence we are constantly affected by our environment, whether we recognise it consciously or not). These vibrations can be used therapeutically.

observation *******
I don't see how external vibrations can give a person a fear of spiders
I feel that WE are constantly affecting the environment around us. .******
Have you ever felt headachy or frazzled in a room iwth a lot of electronic equipment, or closed in where there are a lot of people? Ever picked up on the excitement of the crowd at a concert?
Personally, I am constantly picking up things from my surroundings, I just don't often notice it.

For example, if someone is afraid of spiders, you could "show" them the vibration of someone who loves spiders, and so that vibration would come into their consciousness.


Observation******
This may have nothing to do with essences but rather intent.  The intent of the healer*******
The difference here (at least to me) is that when I harvest an essence, it is often not what I expected. I see / feel / sense something more than what was obvious.

Or you could show them an essence of "spider", so they could start to see spiders from the spiders point of view.

observation*******
So do they look through a spiders eyes?*******
Not physically, no. But when working with the essence of a bacteria, for example, I start to get a sense of community and survival instinct that is not what i usually feel.

In many ways, healing is still a choice. They could choose to not connect to that vibration. They could find that it challenged their own preconceptions so much that they may choose not to deal with it. Or they could choose to accept it, and change the way they view spiders.

One of the most effective "essences" is simply that of the person who has come for a treatment. To show someone how you view them, (or from a "non" perspective) to show them their own strengths and weaknessess from a different point of view can be wonderful. (Kas - it is Red, Blue, Green but with a difference)


Observation******* how is this achieved?****
Initially, by using an energy trigger to "harvest" different types of essences, but now it is with "intent". Or to put it another way, I wish to learn what something is, how it feels, and from what perspective. And then I experience that, recall that feeling / vibration (it is more than a feeling) and then pass that on to someone else, in much the way that you do when you are doing a Reiki, or other energy type, treatment.
To get an essence from a "non-perspective", you literally experience it without judging, without thinking, without bringing your self into it. (Funny, have never thought of it in those terms). Its like stepping back from yourself. Maybe thats why you use triggers in the first instance.


Maybe we could play with a few essences on the bit where you test yourself.

Comment*******
Oh yes please*******
OK

The thing is with this, is there is no right or wrong, it is your view.

On the course, we each "harvested" the essence of an object of our choosing, from whatever we had knocking around, just to check we had the gist of it, and then tried them out on each other.
Essence of Mobile Phone was fascinating. Individual reactions were different, but as a group, it invoked feelings of loneliness, isolation, reaching out, connection, instability, freedom etc etc. All of these from the "testers" who did not know beforehand what the essence was.

Observation****** intent?
Association? I don't know that intent had much to do with it.

Place essences (such as Tara) often have emotional as well as historical connections.
People also work in different ways, and on different levels.
Personally, I rarely visualise, but I do feel, experience, search, question, explore, verbalise and so my view is different to someone who "sees" etc

Does that make any sense?
david hobbs

I think I am getting there.

Thinking of a person who is not afraid of spiders and then passing on the feeling.

No

I still don't get the process

Thick or what.
david hobbs

Could you give me something to practice with?

Something to improve my golf

No I am serious.

That is a real test

How about I feel Tiger woods vibe and take it on board.  Or is that the wrong way to do it
meiah

What is wrong with your golf?

Is it a problem with accuracy? Patience? Strength? Technique? Consistency?

I know little about the game. Then again, do I need to?
What does a perfect swing feel like? How does it feel when you connect with the ball in exactly the right way?

Think of your game, and trigger "Knowing".  Tell me what you see / feel.
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
What is wrong with your golf?

Is it a problem with accuracy? Patience? Strength? Technique? Consistency?

I know little about the game. Then again, do I need to?
What does a perfect swing feel like? How does it feel when you connect with the ball in exactly the right way?

Think of your game, and trigger "Knowing".  Tell me what you see / feel.


All of the above.

Nothing is wrong with it in the sense that I enjoy it, but like all golfers I want to improve.

Feeling the perfect swing is standard practice.  Some time it works and sometimes it does not.

I suppose the main thing is confidence in what you are about to do.
meiah

Why do you not have confidence?

Again, trigger "knowing" and tell me what you see / feel.
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
Why do you not have confidence?

Again, trigger "knowing" and tell me what you see / feel.


It is because I am fighting myself
meiah

You are so much better than that.

Know it. Trigger "knowing" and this time, listen.

Then tell me what you see / feel / hear.
meiah

Wrong question. That was my view, not yours.

Why are you not in accord with yourself?
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
Wrong question. That was my view, not yours.

Why are you not in accord with yourself?



I am restless and want to keep moving and doing.
meiah

Again, why are you not in accord with yourself?

Listen.
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
Again, why are you not in accord with yourself?

Listen.


No reply
david hobbs

It is because when I play I am thinking of the past shot and the one to come.

I am not in the present moment and just being a golfer
meiah

No.
meiah

What is a golfer?

Please trigger "knowing" again, and tell me.
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
What is a golfer?

Please trigger "knowing" again, and tell me.


A moment
meiah

Where is that moment?
david hobbs

Sorry that is not as in, give me a moment
meiah

Its the right answer nonetheless
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
Its the right answer nonetheless


I should remember the threads of the quickening.


I remember to laugh.  Especialy at myself

I live in the here and now
david hobbs

I think I have got it.

An act is just a fleeting moment.

Desire keeps you from living that moment as it is born of mind and mind is rarley in the moment
meiah

If you know the outcome before you act, does desire get in the way?
meiah

Let me know how your next game goes..... and how it feels  
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
If you know the outcome before you act, does desire get in the way?



It does not matter.

The lesson is to live in the moment regardless of what you are doing.

I look at my hand and see a miracle
billy nomates

dave and i play golf occasionally...in between joking and swearing and playing like a pair of twerps i have observed that as we are 'blokes' we try too hard and get in an ego struggle..ie we try to knock the skin off the ball when really the idea of good golf is to make the club do the work...

i have told him farsends of times to be in the now-it was a joke but i was also being serious..........

now the ego is odd..last year i played the same course with a lady friend and the game was totally different.....why? because the vibe changed......i was helping her and we were relaxed.........i played my best round of the year! Big Grin  Big Grin  Big Grin

the spider thing is interesting...........when i first became interested in the occult i did some crazy things..........i guess i was unhindered............
i went to thailand and got lots of mosquito bites.........
i had experienced the 'spirit of the plants' when automatic writing(apparently some life forms have group souls or spirits)
so.in meditation i went to meet the king of the mozzies..........i ased him to call a truce and if they didnt bite me then i wouldnt swat them...........

it worked a treat...i have only been bitten once in the last 10 years.........
i did have a rebel land on my forehead once and i instinctively spaltted him............i apologised to the king again and we got over it.........
am i nuts or did i contact the mozzies?
maybe both but my belief has held for a long time Big Grin    
david hobbs

Well I scored 94 and won a fiver from my son in law.  For me that was a good score.

I will have another go on saturday.
david hobbs

http://books.google.co.uk/books?i...xoKuX7zUrJ_4gc&hl=en#PPA62,M1


Here is some more interesting information about sacred stones
billy nomates

are gall stones french?
Raymond

Re: Stones and royalty

david hobbs wrote:
Due to the  king Athelstan trail that I am following I have come upon the fact that many kings of England and other countries were crowned whilst sitting upon a stone.  I find that interesting because of it's obvious connection with paganism.  


I think the whole business of Royalty has it's roots firmly set in our pagan past.
david hobbs

Re: Stones and royalty

Raymond wrote:
david hobbs wrote:
Due to the  king Athelstan trail that I am following I have come upon the fact that many kings of England and other countries were crowned whilst sitting upon a stone.  I find that interesting because of it's obvious connection with paganism.  


I think the whole business of Royalty has it's roots firmly set in our pagan past.


Don't stop there raymond
Raymond

What more do you want?
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
What more do you want?


I was wondering about the lineage between royalty now and in the past
Raymond

Well, in my opinion the whole business of 'royalty' seems a very pagan concept.
Back in the old days the elders of the village were indeed seen as almost 'godlike' and would have taken on the role of the gods at seasonal celebrations.
These elders would most certainly have been treated in a very special way (shamans, cunning folk) and it's certainly not a great leap of the imagination that thier offspring would have followed on in thier footsteps as leaders of the community.
The whole thing of royalty having jewel encrusted crowns and the like isn't just a display of wealth. Our ancestors knew of the spiritual value of gemstones and precious metals.
Nowadays of course, royalty (like so much of our pagan heritage) has been completely bastardised by christianity.
I think a lot of the early English Kings were probably practicing pagans and probably even up to Elizabeth I, paganism and Witchcraft have played an important role in royal affairs (remember John Dee?).
I think having a monarchy is an important attachmant to our pagan past and I certainly support the idea of monarchy.
david hobbs

I think that in a lot of the old pagan traditions the the old king was slain by the new king.  That didn't change even beyond pagan times.  In fact it still happens today if you class presidents in the same role
I dont think that it would always be the case that elder tribemen and women would be shamans but councilors.

Shamans would often have been treated as outsiders and probably feared but useful.  As indeed they often are today

I suppose it would vary from culture to culture.

I suspect that majik and wichcraft have been of interest to royals more recently than we think.

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