I have to say this. I resent paying to go into this monument. I feel that something that belongs to the people and is considered by many as a spiritual place(although I have my doubts) should be free of charge for all to see.
My moan for the day.
I bet if they could wall off Avebury we would be paying for that as well.
meiah
What bugs me more is that you can only enter the circle on special arrangement. I grew up being able to go and watch the sun come up in the circle with my mum and dad.
Standing outside seems kind of pointless.
david hobbs
meiah wrote:
What bugs me more is that you can only enter the circle on special arrangement. I grew up being able to go and watch the sun come up in the circle with my mum and dad.
Standing outside seems kind of pointless.
You stood in the circle. Wow. So did Druids build it and how was it done.
Oh and how did they move the stones.
meiah
Last nights theory was aliens dropped the stones there on their way home on a Friday night as couldn't be arsed to deliver them to the right place, but made the effort to make it look good (or teenage alien highschool prank, views varied). Druids woke up in morning after a stonkingly good night, couldn't remember how they got there, or indeed how the stones got there, so took full credit as they must have built it whilst under the influence........................ was a good night last night
david hobbs
Why do we pay
I sent this email to stonehenge info.
Lets see what they say.
Why are we charged to enter stonehenge?
I have been asked this question on my forum and think perhaps you will know the answer.
If you cite religious reasons for entry and arrange beforehand you can get a dispension, at least you used to.
In the old battle grounds when Thatcher put up roadblocks (why ???) the legend that is "King arthur" turned up and demanded to be let forward due to religious reasons, as I understand he was to take them to court for breech of the United Nations Human Rights Act with regard to freedom to prtactice religion.
the stumbling block came with what is religion? !
Of course being king Arthur, and who are we to say that he is not, meant that he has divine right haha.
I have visoins of stonhenge in me meditations there and it looks very different, the stones being dressed and clad in wood and cobb.
Although stonehenge is wonderful there are loads of free sights equally important, Scorhilll, Castle Rigg, Rollright etc, and free.
If you don't want to pay, tell them why, or cite research etc.
meiah
Here is another thought......as you cannot actually get close to the stones, why not just look from outside. The view from the top of the hill is breathtaking.
But no, I agree, a site like this should be free for all to access.
david hobbs
(quote)I have visoins of stonhenge in me meditations there and it looks very different, the stones being dressed and clad in wood and cobb.
That's interesting Sam. I have often wondered if the stones were covered in at one time.
The thing is that Stone Henge is unlike any other structure on the planet. It is not just another stone circle.
Waffle King
I actually touched the stones, i was about 3 tho, so 14 years ago now lol, but i don't think this place adds up, i mean, a circle of stones, only in England! Druidic or not, it has some kinda meaning around it, but i'm flumoxed if i know what it is, but, me being me, like the idea of it being a HUGE sundile, but i'm a weird Woff like that :D
Mel S
My theory is similar to the Sundial .. A calendar of some sort.. to mark planitary movement maybe.. or to show correlation between the celestial bodies. The Egyptians did the same with the pyramids.
Or Maybe it was just an unfinished DIY project ... Lets face it, no matter how old it is, men never finish a DIY project (somethings never change) ..hahaha !!
My theory is similar to the Sundial .. A calendar of some sort.. to mark planitary movement maybe.. or to show correlation between the celestial bodies. The Egyptians did the same with the pyramids.
And the Aztecs, all around the same time, 4000/5000/6000 years ago, when mans mind looked to the stars and wondered "hmmm, didn't it look like that some days ago? i know! i'll build a dile and mark it out!"
meiah
Just watched the clip. Strangely convincing. Certainly more feasible than dragging them up on rollers. The main problem I can see if that the ground is not level, so to use a pivot would require a base, but am possibly nitpicking.
The technique for erecting the stone was impressive.
Bravo
meiah wrote:
Just watched the clip. Strangely convincing. Certainly more feasible than dragging them up on rollers. The main problem I can see if that the ground is not level, so to use a pivot would require a base, but am possibly nitpicking.
The technique for erecting the stone was impressive.
Bear in mind he was doing it so that he alone could erect a 20,000lb stone without any mechanical or human aid. If he'd had help, he would certainly have been able to do much more, much more quickly.
It just goes to show that necessity is the mother of invention, and if someone wants to (or needs to) do something enough, they always find a way.
Mel S
Must admit I was pretty impressed ... But Why has it taken so long for this to come out as a possible stone moving theory... It seems so simple, Yet have never heard of this theory before.
Strange considering just how long people have been trying to work out how the stones were moved..
Bravo
Mel D wrote:
Must admit I was pretty impressed ... But Why has it taken so long for this to come out as a possible stone moving theory... It seems so simple, Yet have never heard of this theory before.
Strange considering just how long people have been trying to work out how the stones were moved..
It's just a different way of looking at the problem.
I don't know if you know this story or not:
A lorry had driven into a tunnel that was too low for it. They got a crane to the scene but they couldn't for love nor money get the lorry out, it was wedged firm. The emergency services were at a total loss as to what to do.
In the traffic jam piled up behind a ten year old girl said' why don't you just let the tyres down?' They let the tyres down and got the lorry out straight away.
The best solutions are usually so simple, yet aren't so simple if you don't know it.
Naughty Fairy
what ever it's purpose was, it remains a wonderful place of energy,
to be in the inner circle at first light and experience the energy that is there is fantastic.
Meiah, do you remember? Billie was there too, the morning it poured with rain and when we did energy work in meditation there was that wonderful sunlight, yet when we opened our eyes there was only rain.
i am so looking forward to going there again..... :D
meiah
Of course I do. And we all cried shamelessly.....again!!
Kas
I can't beleive you get allowed in the inner circle.
Naughty Fairy
Hmm, what do you mean Kas??...... us being allowed into the inner circle.....we're no trouble......really!!!.... and Stone henge is still standing....
and yes we all cried so much you couldn't tell if it was pouring rain or tears of emotion
Naughty Fairy
Just remembered we did get sent back through the tunnel under the road by security. It appeared that we were trying to gate crash some other groups time within the circle........ it was a mistake honest...
tell them Meiah.....
evergreen
ooo I am so wanting to be in England right now.. just to visit this place
I guess they get roped off or fenced off to protect them ??
meiah
There was a time when the stones were being defaced by visitors writing their names on them etc. Very sad. It is now managed by English Heritage who have roped off the circle to prevent this sort of thing from happenning, and to protect the stones.
So nowadays, the only time you can touch the stones and walk inside the circle is the Summer Solstice and before and after the usual visiting hours by special arrangement, usually as part of a tour, and then you only get an hour. Cal and I were on a course where they arranged access.
Having said that, there are oodles of places like Avebury which you can just wander round freely, and although Stonehenge will always be special to me, so many of these other sites are wonderful.
There is a lot to be said for making the extra effort to walk up a hill, or hike across moorland, or stroll down one of the old ways to reach a site. Kind of prepares the mind.
So many things are so easy now, that, to my ways of thinking, it sort of devalues them. There is no effort, and so, little reward.
david hobbs
evergreen wrote:
ooo I am so wanting to be in England right now.. just to visit this place
I guess they get roped off or fenced off to protect them ??
Problem, solution, outcome.
Problem. Vandalism
Solution. Fence it off.
Outcome. Jobs for the boys and a very large income.
It is our heritage. How easily we capitulate to grey people.
meiah
It is sad.
But what is the answer?
Almost anything that I can suggest comes back to my own value system, which is apparently not shared with the people who feel it is OK to write their names on stones. Nor with those who feel it is a touching way to record their love to carve it on a tree. I am not without fault, even within my own value system, so I would not dream of imposing that on someone else.
I guess that is what gets to me most, that someone has imposed a solution, and in so doing has affected many people who mean to do no harm.
evergreen
david hobbs wrote:
evergreen wrote:
ooo I am so wanting to be in England right now.. just to visit this place
I guess they get roped off or fenced off to protect them ??
Problem, solution, outcome.
Problem. Vandalism
Solution. Fence it off.
Outcome. Jobs for the boys and a very large income.
It is our heritage. How easily we capitulate to grey people.
so true David.. we do begin to over compensate for bad behaviour by stopping it before it starts or thinking everyone will be ill mannered and the only winners are the losers with the titles.. who get the money I suppose .....
we have aboriginal sites that you can't get anywhere near so that they remain untouched.. I think it is sad because we miss the whole point of the energy of a place and the learning that comes from being there and experiencing it and the honouring of those that have been here before and the sharing of the old age wisdom of such a divine culture
david hobbs
evergreen wrote:
david hobbs wrote:
evergreen wrote:
ooo I am so wanting to be in England right now.. just to visit this place
I guess they get roped off or fenced off to protect them ??
Problem, solution, outcome.
Problem. Vandalism
Solution. Fence it off.
Outcome. Jobs for the boys and a very large income.
It is our heritage. How easily we capitulate to grey people.
so true David.. we do begin to over compensate for bad behaviour by stopping it before it starts or thinking everyone will be ill mannered and the only winners are the losers with the titles.. who get the money I suppose .....
we have aboriginal sites that you can't get anywhere near so that they remain untouched.. I think it is sad because we miss the whole point of the energy of a place and the learning that comes from being there and experiencing it and the honouring of those that have been here before and the sharing of the old age wisdom of such a divine culture
Are the Aborigines allowed in?
evergreen
yes they are..... they have had sacrad land given back to them.... it is non aboriginals that arent allowed in