billy nomates
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so whos' fault is it then?i have been reading some books about kabbalah.........it is quite interesting and seems to fit in with buddhism in some ways.......
but of course i have questions.........
kabbalah states that we should 'cleave to god'........in other words try to be like god........if there was a god then how does one communicate with something that doesn't talk back?
many religions talk of god as being the lord or love yet his actions seem to be quite the opposite...it says in the bible apparently that the 600,000 israelites who were trying to escape from the egyptians prayed to him to part the red sea........god enquired 'why are they asking me'?
well that seems a bit rich to me as surely it was him that gave moses the 10 commandments and instigated their escape?
in the bhagvad gita, krishna tells arjuna that he must love and obey him..
again this doesnt seem to me the action of a benificent god?love me or else?
finally in kabbalah they say that man has freewill so mans inhumanity to man is nothing to do with him.well.if he created man then i say it is his responsibility.or as my question asked'whos' fault is it then?
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evergreen
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I love this question.. and I am so tempted to say....only god knows...
but my feelings on it are that all answers lay within us.. so when we look to ourselkves we find love and god and all the things that all the religions has spoken of but unwittingly they seem to miss the whole point that we are everything and we are part of this thing they term holy or devine or god
this of course just my opinion based on what I feel within me
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david hobbs
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I think that to mention God and religion in the same breath is perhaps being a little misguided.
Do you think that if there is a God, that that God would worry about such concepts?
When I was away with friends last week one friend asked how could all of the creation that we saw before us could just happen by accident.
I must admit that at that moment in time I felt that perhaps there was a creator of some sort.
The question is this.
Can anything be created without consciousness?
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billy nomates
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please define 'consciousness'?
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david hobbs
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| billy nomates wrote: | | please define 'consciousness'? |
the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc
I nicked this from the ditionary.
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david hobbs
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I also think there is another consciousness.
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billy nomates
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which is?
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david hobbs
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| billy nomates wrote: | | which is? |
A bit of both really. Individual consciousness and group consciousness.
I don't see things existing in isolation.
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meiah
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Does it require consciousness? I have an inkling that we all create our own world, our own reality. But the majority do it subconsciously. Ok, we are all conscious beings, but not everything we do is on that level.
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | | Does it require consciousness? I have an inkling that we all create our own world, our own reality. But the majority do it subconsciously. Ok, we are all conscious beings, but not everything we do is on that level. |
Sub or on the surface it is all consciousness.
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billy nomates
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back to my original question............1/why do all religions say that god is good?
2/so people are conscious are they?
try walking to the shops tomorrow and see if u remember how u got there...........then try walking back and actually observing what you are doing............i wonder how many are conscious..........?
ps i never said whether I believed in god or not
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meiah
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Religious questions make me squirmy.
1. My own thinking is that we used to many things about the nature of the universe (things which we are just discovering now).
To explain them to the "common" man, it was easiest / more effective to do it in a kind of story form.
This became the basis of many religions.
(Nice theory, but not based on any fact whatsoever)
In a story, the hero is good, hence God is good.
2. I suspect that there are many levels of awareness, just as there are many levels of consciousness. I may be conscious (as in not unconscious), but may not be aware of most of my surroundings.
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evergreen
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Re: so whos' fault is it then? | billy nomates wrote: | i have been reading some books about kabbalah.........it is quite interesting and seems to fit in with buddhism in some ways.......
finally in kabbalah they say that man has freewill so mans inhumanity to man is nothing to do with him.well.if he created man then i say it is his responsibility.or as my question asked'whos' fault is it then? |
I dont' necessarily believe in god at all.....
but you last question brought this thought to mind...... are we responsible for everything our children do.. ?? at what stage to others become responsible for themselves?? thus even if we were created by these beings people deem gods sure they are not responsible for our behaviour :)
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billy nomates
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if there was a god who created everything and gave out commandments to be obeyed then he must have realised that his creations needed to be kept in line..........?
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david hobbs
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The question was "why do religions always say that God is good".
If you want a full collection box you could hardly ask for money for a wicked God.
I also think that the old pagan religions did not see all Gods as being benevolent.
Then of course with our current deity we are suposed to be created in his own image. So look at yourself and that is God.
It is a good way of saying that if you have the right attitude you create the right self.
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