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Shadow

3rd Thread: I let go The Shadow and embrace The Self.
Raymond

Define 'the shadow'.
evergreen

I find I have to embrace the shadow to find the self...   the shadow to me is the parts of me I don't like so much - but I do need to understand as they are afteral part of me
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
Define 'the shadow'.


Everything that we percieve to be apart from the self.

Well that's part of it anyway.


The idea is that you are supposed to work it out for yourself really
Raymond

I have thanks Hobbs.

But my idea of 'shadow' seems to be different from eveybody else's.
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
I have thanks Hobbs.

But my idea of 'shadow' seems to be different from eveybody else's.


Do tell.

And you may have woked it out according to your own understanding and experiences but words can have many dfferent meanings.
Raymond

To me, a person's 'shadow' is the darker side of their nature. It's where they keep their envy, hatred and jealousy.
Too many people try to supress their shadow-self and it finds it's own way out by itself.
This is why a lot of people think they are whiter than white and lead blameless lives, these are probably the same people that others have secret dislikes of, because when you supress your shadow self it comes out without you realise it.
Embrace your shadow. Own your envy, hatred and jealousy and stop pretending you don't experience those things and then the won't have control over you.
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
To me, a person's 'shadow' is the darker side of their nature. It's where they keep their envy, hatred and jealousy.
Too many people try to suppress their shadow-self and it finds it's own way out by itself.
This is why a lot of people think they are whiter than white and lead blameless lives, these are probably the same people that others have secret dislikes of, because when you suppress your shadow self it comes out without you realise it.
Embrace your shadow. Own your envy, hatred and jealousy and stop pretending you don't experience those things and then the won't have control over you.


I can honestly say hand on heart that I have never hated anyone.
Also I do not envy anyone.

I am not jealous of anyone but was when I was younger .

I also feel that judgement of others is the shadows foremost weapon.

Believe it or not it is true.
Raymond

It all depends on whether or not you view the shadow-self and everything it entails as a bad thing.
Personally I see it as a good thing and work with it.
Because I accept and recognise my envy, hates, dislikes and judgements I can work with it and not allow those things to cloud my decisions.
david hobbs

You rae taking it from a very polarised position.

Shadow does not equate with evil bad nasty in the quickening.
Raymond

I gather that, it has many meanings - especially in the occult world.

I'm just speaking from my point of view, from what it means to me.

That's why so many people in the christian faith are so effed-up because they believe that attaining sprituality is to 'ignore' all those normal human emotions that go with the shadow-self.
Not only christians either, many neo-pagans and new agers are of the same 'love n light' mentality and it comes as something of a shock to them when these feelings start to fight their way out and manifest.
david hobbs

So then they could try letting go the shadow and embracing the self.
Raymond

You can't let go of the shadow. It's part of you. Like love, compassion, pity and sorrow - all are essential parts of the human condition.
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
You can't let go of the shadow. It's part of you. Like love, compassion, pity and sorrow - all are essential parts of the human condition.


You are still not getting it.

THE SHADOW IN THIS INSTANCE IS NOT YOUR DARK SIDE.................
Raymond

And you're still not getting it...............

I KNOW!!!

And get this too, not all of us follow this quickening business.
david hobbs

So why are you replying then

Getting the post count up are we?
Raymond

Yes, and also I like to have the last word.

So stop posting.
david hobbs

Shant

Raymond

Stop!!!
wackyjacky

I hadn't thought about the 'shadow' part of me before.. but i have just been thinking about it after reading this and I have to say that if I had one, I would have to say its the part of me I don't show to others, the private me.  Does hat make sense or am I way off in what you were asking David?
evergreen

perhaps letting go of it should come after acknowledging it and getting to know it.. and then saying stuff it this is all me and embracing it....

so in that I would see David and Raymond to be right
evergreen

that is if there is ever a right and wrong  
meiah

How about just "embrace the self"....surely in doing so you let go of everything that you do not perceive as being part of the self?
The envy, hate etc become part of the self, not something else, outside.

Anything that is part of the self, you can work with.
david hobbs

meiah wrote:
How about just "embrace the self"....surely in doing so you let go of everything that you do not perceive as being part of the self?
The envy, hate etc become part of the self, not something else, outside.

Anything that is part of the self, you can work with.


That's fine

So what is the self?
meiah

The self is everything, but viewed from a point called "meiah" or "david".
Any seperation is purely illusion, but gives a place to look from.
The difference is in perception only.
Diana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype

Have a look at this link under the Junghian archetipes (scroll down in page) and you will see the explanations for all.

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)
evergreen

what is your point Diana?
Diana

no point, I was explaining the concepts and heir origin.
evergreen

ok

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