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Kas

Sceptic or Skeptic?

Apparently..

Skeptic's are complete non-believers. Disbelieving even before they have seen the evidence. They are in some ways as ardent in their views as the believers they try to mock.

Sceptic's are neutral. Open minded and open to both sides of the arguement.

I never knew this. Did anyone else?

So Sceptic Kas it is then.  
Bravo

If that's the case, then a skeptic is as blind as they come.

I think we should all be sceptical to some degree
david hobbs

I looked in the dictionary and skeptic is just a variation of sceptic but with the same meaning.
Lilly

Re: Sceptic or Skeptic?

Kas wrote:
Apparently..

Skeptic's are complete non-believers. Disbelieving even before they have seen the evidence. They are in some ways as ardent in their views as the believers they try to mock.

Sceptic's are neutral. Open minded and open to both sides of the arguement.

I never knew this. Did anyone else?

So Sceptic Kas it is then.  


In my dictionary; sceptic is the English spelling of the word and skeptic is the U.S. spelling,both mean the same; disbelievers.
Kas

Quote:
Scepticism versus Skepticism
Although these are technically just the UK and North American spellings of the same word, for students of the anomalous they have come to represent two approaches to the study of their subject. The form with ‘c’ is used for the neutral approach preferred by ASSAP, which is neither for nor against a particular interpretation until the evidence has been gathered and weighed up according to scientific method. The ‘k’ form, on the other hand, is used to denote the approach preferred by CSICOP and other groups, whose members seem to start from the premise that the anomalies we look into do not exist in the first place but are the product of self-delusion or fraudulent activity. Some skeptics come over as just as ardent in their beliefs as the representatives of the other extreme, the uncritical believers.
david hobbs

Evolving language is what it is init
Raymond

Bloody Yanks have to change everything!
Bravo

Raymond wrote:
Bloody Yanks have to change everything!


Indeed.

God dang it
david hobbs

Some of them even changed the directions of the elemental quarters.

Why?
Tommy

Should there be a third spelling for the Donnmeister?
david hobbs

Yes but you're only allowed four letters.
Hunter

You mean a word that both starts & ends in "t" and has an a as the 3rd letter ?
Lilly

Hunter wrote:
You mean a word that both starts & ends in "t" and has an a as the 3rd letter ?


I think David meant  a word a bit more impolite than that Hunter Big Grin
Raymond

C*nt?


Maybe?
david hobbs

I couldn't possibly say.

Still what would we find to bang on about if it wasn't for people disagreeing with each other.

You know I have completely forgotten what this thread is all about.  If indeed it was ever about anything.

I shall stop typing and take a look.
Hunter

Going back to the title of the thread, it's typical of Yanks to appropriate their spelling of a word and make it mean something more !
After all apart from the invention of new words what have they done for the English language, as American is nothing more than pre Shakespearean English !
Raymond

It's not so much the spelling of words that I find odd, for example, leaving out the 'u' in words such as colour, neighbour and harbour, but some of the made up words that we the English (inventors of the language) don't even use.

Faucet

Vacation

We don't even use those words to describe something else. Where did they come from I wonder.
Lilly

Vacation shows up first in English in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, specifically in the prologue to the Wife of Bath’s Tale.  

In it she complains that her husband spends all his leisure time—his vacation—reading a certain book and not attending to her needs—which must have been urgent since he was her fifth husband.  

 Chaucer used the word vacation around 1386

The roots of vacation are older than Chaucer and lead via Old French back to Latin.  When we take a vacation we vacate our place of business,
The word was originally used  for universities   and law courts.


What gets to me most [I was going to say 'bug' another U.S. expression]
is that my computer,although it states that its an English keyboard,insists on giving me American words. I don't use the spellchecker,I have no need to anyway.  

But...remember this [I'm sure Hunter will agree] almost two thirds of our language,English,is made up from the old French.

I watched a programme last year on how words are accepted for the Oxford Dictionary. The programme infuriated me.There were a few boffins mostly still with cradle marks ,'umming' and ' arrring ' about wether --   oops,wrong spelling wether means castrated ram whether ,words 'new' to them should be allowed in and what year they first appeared.They wanted positive proof to pass the word. One of them was ploughman's lunch ,alright two words I know. They said it was invented in the 70's,until an   inn man came up with an old bill board from the 40's with the words on it. Even then this group of experts nearly didn't accept it!

I love the English language,and can't stand the way the Americans mess around with it.
Raymond

I'm sure they don't do it just annoy us Lilly. English is one of the most widely used languages in the world so it's bound to be affected by many cultures, not just the Americans.

I love it when I hear people from other countries speak English and it's so obvious if they learned English in America or Britain. lol
Tommy

How many of these do you find irritating? They all irritate me...

Use of "whether" without "or" (popular with News reporters)...

and these ones are found a lot on the Internet...

"Your" instead of "you're",

"Should of...",

"To" instead of "too".
Bravo

'Here here'

grrrr
Tommy

Ah Bravo, there there...  
Hunter

What about "the reason is because...."
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!
Tommy

The most nonsensical statement of all:

"If you think something's too good to be true, then it probably is".
Bravo

it taks lngr 2 typ in txt spk thn it dus to rite proprlee in the frst plce
Lilly

Hunter wrote:
What about "the reason is because...."
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!



This one seems to have faded away,     ''and basically'' GRRRRR!
Also   ''at the end of the day'' GRRRRRRRRR!
The most popular saying, which even educated people are using is the two word statement;''you know'' sometimes followed by ''like''
I sometimes listen to people in conversation and count the number of times these words are used in just one sentence!
[like, you know!] Big Grin
Bravo

'you know what I mean?'

Yes I know what you bloody well mean, I do actually speak English you know, so no need to say 'know what I mean?' every five seconds.  Also, might I add, why ask the question if you aren't going to bother to wait for the answer?  Know what I mean?  No, thought not.
Kas

They do though, don't they though?
Sorry, i meant
Da do doh da di doh?
Tommy

Kas wrote:
They do though, don't they though?
Sorry, i meant
Da do doh da di doh?


Look at my face though, does my face look bovvered though?
Kas

Watever  
Raymond

I get a bit peeved at incorrect usage of the apostrophe. I have a friend who uses one in every word that ends with 's'.
It doesn't matter how many times I tell him he still does it. I think things like that get to be a habit with some people.

Still, with modern teaching methods kids today only have to demonstrate they understand a concept, it doesn't matter anymore how they present that understanding.

Punctuation and grammer are things of yesterday I'm afraid.
Tommy

Real English as understood best by those brainy people in the far East...

www.engrish.com
Hunter

Lilly wrote:
Hunter wrote:
What about "the reason is because...."
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!



This one seems to have faded away,     ''and basically'' GRRRRR!
Also   ''at the end of the day'' GRRRRRRRRR!
The most popular saying, which even educated people are using is the two word statement;''you know'' sometimes followed by ''like''
I sometimes listen to people in conversation and count the number of times these words are used in just one sentence!
[like, you know!] Big Grin


It hasn't faded away Lilly I heard it on Radio 4 not long ago and saw it on a BBC news programme !!
It really annoys me !!
Hunter

Raymond wrote:
I get a bit peeved at incorrect usage of the apostrophe. I have a friend who uses one in every word that ends with 's'.
It doesn't matter how many times I tell him he still does it. I think things like that get to be a habit with some people.

Still, with modern teaching methods kids today only have to demonstrate they understand a concept, it doesn't matter anymore how they present that understanding.

Punctuation and grammer are things of yesterday I'm afraid.


Raymond the 's is annoying !
How many 'grocer's' do you know, or 'butcher's' ?
Mind you they don't know how to use it in France, there's a shop in our town called "Mony's Mod's" !!
Raymond

Well, I mean, just take a look at our own menu board right here on the GHE forum.

"Video's and Clips'????????
Lilly

Tommy wrote:
Real English as understood best by those brainy people in the far East...

www.engrish.com

I did enjoy that site Tommy.

Thankfully punctuation is still used in books.
When I left school I wanted to be either a dress designer,or a proof reader. Dress designing went out the window,after having to spend day after day in an Oxford Street store picking up pins and making tea. Back to the proof reading;In my innocence, I thought all I had to do was read through a page and correct the spelling and punctuation. Hah! not so simple. I had to learn a shorthand that only proof readers learn ,a bit like hieroglyphics. I was too impatient to do it 'their' way. Many years later in 2006 I thought I would give it another go and applied for a postal course in proof reading,thinking the method of the past would now be simpler... I was wrong!
The only thing I am grateful for,is that books  for adults, on the whole, have punctuation, and if you're lucky,proper spelling.
Lilly

Bravo wrote:
it taks lngr 2 typ in txt spk thn it dus to rite proprlee in the frst plce



Not if you're aged 10 - 13  Big Grin
Hunter

Raymond wrote:
Well, I mean, just take a look at our own menu board right here on the GHE forum.

"Video's and Clips'????????


Time it got put right !!
ADMIN !!!!!
david hobbs

Fu*k off
david hobbs

Sorry I missed a full stop.
Raymond

That's just reminded me of something else that really gets up my nose.

Americanisms.

And even worse, when British people use them!!!

It makes my p*ss boil when I hear British people using 'period' instead of 'full stop', 'counter-clockwise' instead of 'anti-clockwise', 'vacation' instead of 'holiday'.

And the number one thing that makes me seethe:

'S'K'eg-ule' instead of 'Sche-dule'.

ARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
david hobbs

And the latest "can I get" instead of may I have.

Can I get.

No that's my job I'm the ruddy waiter, and you are the customer.

That is the deal.
Bravo

There was a bloody advert on tonight where the narrator said 'a to ZEE'

A to bloomin zee.  What happened to zed?
Raymond

No way! Was it a British actor?
Bravo

Actress, yes.  I don't complain of Americans doing Americanisms, just when Brits do it  

I've forgotten the product, I'd rather remember it so I know never to buy it.
Raymond

If it comes on again post it up here and we can all complain to them.
Tommy

I can't count the number of times I've shouted at the TV when they advertise products from Braun. They always insist on saying "Brawn". Don't they know that Braun is pronounced Brown? That's because it translates to English as... Brown! AAAAGGGHHHHHHHH!!!
Tommy

And English TV presenters... loch is pronounced loch not lock. And there was never an author called John Buckan. And the Nazi government of Germany was not the Third Reick. They can pronounce French words (usually needlessly while talking in English) with correct sounds so why not make a proper ch sound for Scottish words?

And on the subject of French and English, why is "ensemble" pronounced in French? The prefix "en" and the suffix "semble" both exist with English pronounciations in dozens of other words.

Oh and this is totally irrelevant, but as a student of Welsh I laughed and cringed at the same time when Yvette Fielding pronounced Llangollen as "Clan-golin".

OK I must go outside for a minute as my hair has gone on fire.
Raymond

I don't have so much of a problem with pronounciation of difficult or foreign sounding words.

The BBC newscasters are terribly aware of pronouncing foreign words as correctly as possibly and usually it just ends up sounding ridiculous.

We all have an accent or dialect and should say words that are easy to our individual tongues.

I used to work with a Nigerian woman who had a very 'African' sounding name, and she complined to me once that I pronounced her name with "too much of an English accent".

So in my best Nigerian accent I told her to fuck off and never speak to me again.

I mean, come on!
Lilly

david hobbs wrote:
And the latest "can I get" instead of may I have.

Can I get.

No that's my job I'm the ruddy waiter, and you are the customer.

That is the deal.


Worse one I heard lately and have heard it before, American kids say; ''Aww, Do I got to do that.
Lilly

[quote="Raymond"]I don't have so much of a problem with pronounciation of difficult or foreign sounding words.

The BBC newscasters are terribly aware of pronouncing foreign words as correctly as possibly and usually it just ends up sounding ridiculous.

We all have an accent or dialect and should say words that are easy to our individual tongues.

I used to work with a Nigerian woman who had a very 'African' sounding name, and she complined to me once that I pronounced her name with "too much of an English accent".

So in my best Nigerian accent I told her to fuck off and never speak to me again.
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I had to laugh once at Eastenders when Arthur Fowler, an East-end  actor himself,pronounced Plaistow as   Play sto
For the non Eastenders,its pronounced  Plast tow,    innit? sorted!
And I don't care what they say about me,I will stamp my little white stilletoed   shoe  foot,shuffle round me 'andbag and shout;I'm proud to be an Essex girl.
david hobbs

You mean an Essix girl don't you.

Essex girls are quick.

I was with a friend one day many moons ago and we passed a young girl

on the pavement.   When he made a sort of sucking sound directed at her .

Whats the matter wiv you she shouted.

Got a bit a meat in yer tooff

Lets face it

Class will out.
Raymond

As an eastender born and bred and still living here, 'Plaistow' isn't pronounced PLAY-STOW or PLAS-TOW, everyone I know in the eastend (including myself) calls it PLAR-STOW.
evergreen

ha! .. you lot are hilarious....    you haven't mentioned the Australians once... its a terrible accent that's for sure I can't understand many here.

I did a reading for a fellow the other day and every time he spoke I had to ask him what he was talking about all the slang and sayings they are so varied its impossible for me to understand it it's just not the queens english
beantighe

ditto to what everybody said, in between holding my sides!!    I'm glad I'm not the only one who nearly has an apoplexy yelling at the radio or the TV!  Has anyone also noticed how often radio and TV presenters put the emphasis on the wrong syllable these days?  I can't recall an actual example right this minute, but it happens all the time.

There's a new girl on our local radio station who has just started reading the news on the hour.  She's a black girl (am I allowed to say that?) going by her name, which is Adobe Ifatchaw (phonetic spelling) and she finds it  impossible to make the 'err' sound.  So, 'thirty' is 'tharty' and 'work' is 'wark' and 'interview' is 'intarview' and so on.  It drives me nuts!!!
Sceptic Tel

http://www.sceptictel.co.uk/scepticskeptic.htm

Raymond

Oh look!

A link.

How unusual.

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