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david hobbs · Question

We hear about guides and some of us believe in guides.

When did they first appear?

Are they a recent occurence/invention, or have they always been around?

Raymond

One would assume that if they are there to help guide us through life then they have been around for as long as human beings have, if you're asking how long have we been aware of them the answer would probably be since people first became interested in spirit contact during the late victorian period.
Up until the 50's they were referred to as 'Controls' and then the spiritualist movement decided this sounded too much as if they were "in control" of the medium so then decided to call them Guides.
Nowadays it seems nothing is safe from the daft political correctness and a lot of modern mediums call them their 'spirit partner'.

david hobbs

We can't just assume that they have always been around.

Fact is we just don't know.

I reckon they are a fairly modern invention.

Do we know of any other religion/culture who has guides ie dear departed souls who come back to help us humans still living on the Earth plain.

If guides exist then surely every culture on planet Earth would be aware of it. If not then something is wrong somewhere.

So how many cultures can we find that believe in guides?

Even the different religions in the UK do not have guides, and it's no good to say that perhaps they do but aren't aware of it as guides would surely make themselves known or what would be the point of their existence?

Samjaza

Quick analogy?

If you imagine that "God" is the first wine glass on top of a pyramid and it fills over and spreads to a ring below it, which too spill over onto the next ring etc. we occupy a glass at the bottom, above is substance closer to the top ?

The guide is the substance farther up? we recognize it through mind and wisdom?

Those in life who are wise in essence already occupy that space.

So when did they appear? at the moment of creation I would say.

It is like chinese whispers. I will tell a story that becomes diluted through oral tradition to the next person, however the closer you speak to someone who is nearer to the origin the nearer you get to the truth?

Guides are this?

Not bound by materialistic want all they can offer is wisdom. Impartial in order that we stand with them.

Raymond

Well said Sir.

david hobbs

So if I am understanding your analogy guides are a part of the one life force that is shared by all, and is our true and higher self. In other words we are our own guides but from our viewpoint we think of them as separate from us

Or am I wrong, and you are saying that guides are completely separate entities from ourselves.

Or perhaps none of the above.

Raymond

I heard a good explanation the other day, I'm not saying I agree with it but it's a good one none the less.
Imagine being the parent of a teenager. You can see all the mistakes they are making from a mile off because you made the same mistakes yourself once upon a time, but you know you mustn't intervene because they have to be allowed to make those mistakes in order to learn from them.
The best you can do is advise if your advice is asked for and be there to pick up the pieces when it all goes wrong.
Well that's a similar role to that of a guide.

evergreen

what do you think David?

david hobbs

Hello Evergreen.

It is flattering to see that you believe I have the capacity to think, so I shall have a go.

OK then here is an analogy that just popped into my mind.

We all know what fibre optics are.

If you put one end of the fibre optic strand next to a light source the light will travel down the strand to the other end, but from the outside you cannot see the light.

Let us assume that all life, in fact all that is comes from one source and we are the tiny bit of light that has travelled down the fibre from the source and arrives at at the end of the fibre optic strand.

This tiny light is a conscious part of the original light source, but it's spacial intelligence and observations tell it that it is separate from the main source because it cannot see the connection between itself, and creation.

Millions and billions of these strands exist and all of the little bit's of life or light that have travelled from the source see each other on the Earth plane and interact forming language and philosophy and of course belief. Just like the belief that they are separate individuals and not connected save through physical contact and material interaction.

Being connected to the one, or should I say being a part of the one means this.

You are talking to, and guiding yourself.

Your belief in guides and Angels brings them into existence within the source of creation ie the light, the one, God if you will. These created beliefs travel along their own fibre into this consensus reality, and we see them as separate from us rather than created by us.

Blimey, what am I banging on about.

evergreen

I like your analogy David.... as far as your thinking goes you know darn well your mind rarely stops turning

for me I have stopped thinking about why and am just letting things be.. may sound like a cop out for others but the important questions for me are not where does it come from but how good is it for me... that is what governs me rather than who is saying it to me.. so as far as are their guides speaking to me and guideing me hmm it no longer really matters to me (and mostlikely that is a moment in time for me not an end to my thinking on the matter)

david hobbs

Raymond

I agree with you EG. I used to think, think, think about all these things until I was blue in the face.
Too many people try to rationalise these things and I think it's interesting in itself why some people need to explain things, why can't they just accept their own truths and to hell with anyone who disagrees with them?
I don't bother trying to rationalise these things anymore, I just tell people what I believe and if they don't like it they are welcome to kiss my a**e.
Some things have to be believed to be seen.

evergreen

crikey now your agreeing with me --- Big Grin

good stuff

david hobbs

The things that form my world view are in the main brief flashes of insight gained during meditation.

Half a second's worth of insight every six months if I am lucky.

That half a second is more than enough, and you believe that at last you know something.

So now I await the next half second that may or may not come.

It is nothing to do with thinking so you can think all you like.

The secret is to stop thinking.

Raymond

You know I am a big fan if your utterances Mr. Hobbs, but that last post was truly outstanding.
I could not have described the 'knowing' any better myself.
The God and Goddess certainly do reveal their secrets to you.

mark

i have felt seen etc spirit for a long time,and i have not really just thought i would learn more until recently ,when ,out of interest i wondered why other people generally don't see hear etc what i do.this has been a amazing time for me ,but oh so confusing ,i dont follow trends with some who say you must do this that etc ,people close to me said stay away from spirit s

how does one do that if they are there monist us,i choose to be there with spirit anyway ,now when in meditation i did initially feel what i perceive to be guides ,and "protectors " ,one in particular ,to help me....,and he still does,then something happened ,i started to feel pure love ,a similar feeling to seeing angels twice now,i was in meditation and it was as if i was floating ,it felt as if i was better than most being able to do this afterwards ,but at the time it made me more aware that i am on a journey,and to let go of my feelings,any feelings that are not nice ,and it was as if i should be looking within ,without using my brain,but still using my brain to live for the moment ,i was shown,well as in a feeling that i have too many ,habits,things that make me feel am a warrior and a fighter in life to survive,if that makes sense,i have for some while now realised that when i am upset etc it is just an emotion ,and can usually just move this emotion to one side,apart when animals are concerned for some reason,also i felt very happy ,then very sad at times to do with people,which doesn't happen ,it does now as i am beginning to like people more for some reason,and it is strange for me to do so ,well its been a habit to just put up with people generally ,as to who i am ...well that is tricky as i get that now i am in a place where i can help animals ,in many ways,i do realise that over many years i have many habits ,and i haven't been living a life generally ,just going with the flow,for some reason i can now look at a flower for example and see something purely amazing .....as is the smell.....and where do i receive the healing that i get ,maybe when i give healing i receive it too ,it is defiantly happening ,i don't usually do long post but ...

david hobbs

Mark.

You see spirit but you are moving on from there into the mystical realms.

To feel the love of the universe is to touch the source of all things.

Your source. It is your true self.

That is what the quickening is all about.

Deb's

I find it hard to explain the feeling too.... The highest form of love is about the best I can do.... but to describe the actual feeling well it's euphoric.... When you think about it, words and meanings are but man made... when not in the physical we use thoughts and feelings, touch things to read... well, that's what I 'think' as I am in the physical now so don't really know....

love & light,