Bravo
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Nine ElevenAmazingly, I used to actually believe this was a terrorist attack by a group called 'Al Quaeda'.
I once was blind, but now I see...
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Raymond
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Oh Bravo, they really have got to you haven't they?
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david hobbs
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Every time I look at this subject I think to myself "could anyone really do this to their own people"
Then I think "They have always done things like this to their own people"
I suppose that you could make a case out for anything but in this instance the evidence is abundant. Thing is I don't want to believe it.
It would save a lot of time and lives if the USA just had the guts to declare war on any country that has something material or strategic that they want.
Raymond Take a look at history. It's not rocket salad.
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Raymond
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Where is this "evidence" that 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack?
Oh no, wait, don't tell me! Let me guess. On a conpiracy theorists' website and various dodgy videos posted on YouTube.
Silly me, I should have known.
Just because something is on a website doesn't make it fact. It's just something that's on a website.
Any oik with half a brain can put something on a website and make it sound real.
I should know, I've parted with enough cash over the years for things that promised to make me slim, and guess what? I'm still a big fat bloater!
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Sia
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[quote="david hobbs"]Every time I look at this subject I think to myself "could anyone really do this to their own people"
Then I think "They have always done things like this to their own people"
Classic case is the vatican making jesus supernatural 300 yrs after his death and killing countless knows how meny to keep their secret safe, for control, power and money .
"It has served us well, this myth of Christ"
- Pope Leo x, 16th century
Maybe the first CON - piracy but not the last for sure, people in power will do anything .
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Bravo
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If you give me two hours, I will give you proof.
ie the same kind of proof you would need in a court.
Proof beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Blue pill or red pill?
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Raymond
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Bravo, please.
Credit me with some intelligence mate.
Mike Ruppert is more of a paranoid whack job than David Icke. Granted he gets off his arse and makes a noise (unlike Icke), but still.
Next you'll be asking me to watch Michael Moore videos.
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Waffle King
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It's the same old story over again, 9/11 Blame the Bush! Nah, i personally would blame everyone, cos at the end of the day, it is everyones fault, we could have stopped it, weither it was Bush, or that Osama geezer with the funny hat, we ordinary 2 legged walking talking gossiping humanoidish looking common people, are the ones to blame because we shape the world. *Meanders away, laughing evily* 
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Raymond
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From the mouth of babes.....
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Bravo
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They got to you I see. The mainstream political media. Still, makes no odds to me, listen to the facts or close yourself off.
Ruppert points it out using only facts that you can look up and check yourself.
You choose not to view the video, you choose not to see the evidence from the opposing viewpoint, which is a cardinal sin in any debate about anything.
Without looking at the facts, you are basing your opinions on 'belief'.
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Raymond
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This whole 'conspiracy' business isn't a new concept to me since I've been on GHE y'know.
I've looked at these arguments before (yes, from both sides) and I quite agree, some of the arguments are quite compelling but one thing that I've found a lot of conspiracy theorists don't often like to do is apply a little logic.
For example, you say 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack but some kind of 'inside job' with the Bush administration behind it.
Just stop for a second and imagine how difficult that whole day would have been to organise, how many people would have had to be involved. One of them woul dhave said something by now.
And let's talk about our American cousins for a second. They can barely manage to get through a one-sided war without blowing up thier allies left, right and centre so do you really think they'd be able to pull off something like 9/11 without a hitch? AND keep it quiet?
Like I said before, when I see concrete evidence, and so long as it stands up to logic and good old fashioned common sense then maybe I will change my mind.
I'd love to believe in all this stuff. I'd love to believe that there are sinister forces at work controlling our every move and thought, it would make life so much more interesting than it already is, I'd also love to believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy as well.
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Kas
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What about orb's?
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Raymond
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I'd like to believe in those too! 
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Sia
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| Bravo wrote: | If you give me two hours, I will give you proof.
ie the same kind of proof you would need in a court.
Proof beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Blue pill or red pill?
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I know what you mean bravo, at first I was shocked, then I believed , now I'm wondering if were being double bluffed , really cant make up mind on this, I mean who's double checking, the double checkers, planting that passport for example.
What better way to bring down a society than putting in the poisonous seeds of doubt.
Just don't know
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Bravo
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Yes, the passport 
Thousands upon thousands of tonnes of paper, rubble, etc were strewn all over New York, YET the very next day, the FBI show one of the passports of one of the 'pilots' of a plane that had supposedly incinerated entire floors of the WTC, yet amazingly the passport survived (albeit with a light amount of burning on one corner), and even more amazingly they found it.
What I really find amazing is that anybody actually believes this was a terrorist attack.
Wasn't it extraordinary that the US had two battlegroups along with one of our own in exactly the right place to start the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan as a consequence of 9/11?
Wow, upon wow, upon wow.
I'll tell you what, if you believe in the official version of events, then you really do believe in the tooth fairy.
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Sia
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I think the main problem is people really dont want to believe , its too much for them
The idea that all the people were taken out the planes and shot or whatever before they hit.
Lifes hard as it is, for them to beilve this its too much.
I still think theres a far bigger thing going on, just dont know what it is ,
Do I want to know what the "secret" powers have on hold for us, with four kids, sometimes I wonder maybe ignorance is bliss , and then I keep on looking
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K.J
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DUH?
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Raymond
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K.J.......
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Raymond
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Tosser!!!
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Sia
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You pissed again last night K ?
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david hobbs
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Is the Pope a Catholic?
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Sia
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No hes just the puppet, bet hes a pagan
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billy nomates
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an amusing thread........
there are so many things that are wrong with the al queda attack baloney.....
the alleged pilots couldnt fly a light aircraft.........
the evidence was scooped up and taken away.mostly to land fill sites in China...some remains guarded in ny.
the pentagon has the most security cameras of any u.s building.yer none of them filmed the plane/missile?
A large group of u.s pilots have stated that a plane could not ave been flown into it following the alleged flight plan.
etc etc
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edward longshanks killed his own troops/the russians killed their own people in ww2.......why wouldnt u.s vested interests do something nasty?
ever heard of stalin, mao,pol pot?
the cia have killed millions of people all over the globe.still are.....
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Raymond
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| billy nomates wrote: | | the cia have killed millions of people all over the globe.still are..... |
But obviously not the right ones.
People like you who claim to have all this secret knowledge of skull duggery and shady goings on would have been at the top of their list I would have thought.
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swanlady
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I believe in Father Christmas and the easter bunny
Who else brings our pressies and choccie eggs  
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david hobbs
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I still have doubts about an inside job but I defiantly lean toward that idea.
Having said that I think that if it was an inside job the easy way is to just let the attack take place and then plant a little extra "evidence"
That scenario is the best because it is then a genuine terrorist attack.
I have been to ground zero and the locals don't seem to want to think about it at all.
If you could see it you would understand why.
It's a bit like a returning soldier needing to forget the horrors he has seen.
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Raymond
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Be sensible Swanny, Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny are just made-up characters to make kids behave and go to bed early.
If you want something real to believe in you should try the Tooth Fairy, ask yourself: where do all those teeth go?
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swanlady
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Why Raymond. Everyone knows the tooth fairy lives at the fairy castle (Castle coch) in Caerphilly.
Thought you knew that too. Tut Tut.
And santa is in the north pole.
(I really must sit Raymond down to remind him of these important things).
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david hobbs
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No Father Christmas.
The mans a bloody imbecile 
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swanlady
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Hmmmm looks like Davids not gonna get any pressies from santa this year then. 
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david hobbs
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Well I will
Anyway I am astounded by a man of intelligence who thinks there is no Santa, and what's more he has never heard of strictly come dancing.
Sloppy thinking is what I think !!!!!!!!
Must live on planet Nog
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