Raymond
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Moon landingsIt's the 40th anniversary of the Moon landings this week, and where else other than in the conspiracy section should we have a conversation about it?
Did they land on the Moon?
Didn't they land on the Moon?
Does anybody really give a rat's arse?
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Sian
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I'd like to think they did but I don't think I do.
The sat nav in our cars is more sophisticated than anything they had. They had a baked bean can with a few big fireworks shoved up the back.
Remarkably good camera work aswell considering what tv programmes of the day look like now.
I am undecided.
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Waffle King
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Prove they didn't and i won't belive they did 
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Raymond
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Conspiracy Theorists would probably say they didn't. It's all politics. The Americans simply had to beat the Ruskies up there otherwise the balance of power in the cold would have tipped in Russia's favour.
I can see that.
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Bravo
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The radiation around our planet makes it so that we don't even have the technology today to get to the moon, never mind 40 years ago. Not unless we can get a capsule covered in 6 feet of lead into orbit.
Not only that, there are a whole host of other problems that we still cannot solve with regard to getting on the moon. Do you really believe they manually landed that farty little capsule on the moon? They can't even land harrier jump jets on earth without massive computer help and the Earth has aerodynamics that help things along.
I could type all night, it's one of those issues where people simply refuse to believe that the US government could have pulled off such a stroke and totally refuse to look at any evidence one way or another. A couple of years ago I looked into it with a totally open mind and te evidence is very clear. Man did not land on the moon.
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Raymond
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I can actually go along with all you say Bravo.
And to be totally honest I'm bloody well glad they did fake it. Dispite all it's problems and inequalities I'd much rather be living in a world dominated by Capitalism than one dominated by Communism.
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david hobbs
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So you are into domination then?
I like the idea of freedom myself.
I have a query.
How did they brain wash all those astronauts into lying about their adventures in space.
Are they really lying?
Why?
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Raymond
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All this talk of the moon landings reminds me of a joke I heard the other day.
If we Brits had been the first to land on the Moon we wouldn't have put up a flag, we would have put up a 'tripping hazard' sign. LOL!
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | I like the idea of freedom myself. |
Hmmm,...
Freedom isn't really compatable with human nature I'm afraid, but I'm sure we're a lot more free under the capitalist bastards than we would be under commie bastards.
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david hobbs
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Is that because all that you know about the commie bastards came from the media?
Have you ever been to a communist country.
No.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing, just pointing out that you are speaking from an ill educated point of view.
I do remember once having driven from Essex to Dubrovnik in Yugoslavia seeing a coach load of people from behind the so called Iron Curtain.
Believe me they were the nearest things to the living dead that I have ever seen.
But then I have also been to London and they seem similar.
Just better dressed.
OK I did lie about the latter a wee tad 
They were scruffy bar***s
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | Have you ever been to a communist country.
No. |
What the fuck do you know???
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david hobbs
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Well thank you for asking?
I know what little I have seen for myself.
I was just stating an opinion in a light hearted jokey kind of a way.
I don't mean to upset people honestly!
Now where have I heard that before?
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Raymond
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Up your arse Hobbs!
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evergreen
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.. I think they landed on the moon way too many involved for it to be a conspiracy
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Raymond
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| evergreen wrote: | | .. I think they landed on the moon way too many involved for it to be a conspiracy |
What a sensible woman you are EG!
The same could be said about ALL conspiracy theories actually. I mean this government can't even keep it quiet about MP's using their expenses to pay for pornography and duck ponds so imagine how difficult they'd find to keep a lid on alien reptiles being charge.
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evergreen
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I was born a few days after the landing.. so its something I've grown up with ..... its not totally logical that it happened but just because we haven't re-created it doesn't mean it never occurred
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Raymond
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In all honesty I really couldn't give a hoot either way.
I really don't want them to go back though. They'll start drilling and building things up there and before you know it people will start having holidays on the Moon and of course the military will have an interest and start building nuclear bases on it and then they will be a prison to send all the scum of the earth to, and on and on and on,....
Why would I want to worship something that has all that going on?
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evergreen
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good point what goddess needs men crawling all over her
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david hobbs
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I just watched a video with Buzz Aldrin stating that He personaly has seen Ufo's in space and that space missions are continually followed by unidentifieds.
That is Buzz Aldrin the astronought by the way.
He has done it and bought the T shirt.
This is a bit off topic but I use it to illustrate the point that all is not what it seems
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | I just watched a video with Buzz Aldrin stating that He personaly has seen Ufo's in space |
I bet he has.
Is there another book coming out?
Being the SECOND man on the moon can't pay very well 40 years after the event.
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david hobbs
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Not the soundest of replies Raymond.
Buzz Aldrin is just one of many people who have had first hand experiences of Ufo's.
The cry from all none believers is always the same. When is the book coming out.
Well oddly enough books have been mankinds major source of knowledge for hundreds of years.
Read any good ones on witchcraft of late or are they written purely out of commercial interests.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | Buzz Aldrin is just one of many people who have had first hand experiences of Ufo's. |
I'm sure all people who have seen a UFO would consider themselves as having 'first hand experience. If Mr. Aldrin (or anybody for that matter) can come up with solid evidence rather than just chin-wagging and posting their 'world changing revelations' on YouTube, I'd be more than happy to listen.
| david hobbs wrote: | | The cry from all none believers is always the same. When is the book coming out. |
I would imagine that's because it's usually the case. By the way, I never said I was a non-believer.
| david hobbs wrote: | | Well oddly enough books have been mankinds major source of knowledge for hundreds of years. |
True. They've also been one of mankind's major sources of mis-information and propaganda.
| david hobbs wrote: | | Read any good ones on witchcraft of late or are they written purely out of commercial interests. |
I'm the first to admit that more crap, bullshit and nonsense has been written under the guise of 'Witchcraft' probably more than any other subject you care to mention.
And of course the people writing them are out to make money. There's nothing wrong with writing a book and wanting to get some money out of it - nothing at all.
All I'm saying is let's cut the bullshit and say what is meant.
I'm sure Mr. Aldrin wants to put his stories out there and open people's eyes and do his 'bit' for the betterment of mankind yadda, yadda, yadda,. but let's not kid ourselves and remember that he's also got one eye on the cash register.
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david hobbs
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Well the pictures taken from the spacecraft are freely available on the net.
Funny thing with Ufo's how people seem to get hot under the collar about them.
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Raymond
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Who's getting hot under the collar? Apart from you maybe.
But you're right, people do get a little hot headed when discussing matters like this because it involves having their belief systems questions.
Wether real ot imagined belief in something is very, very important. It gives us hope. Keeps us going, it gets us through the night.
Start questioning people's beliefs (especially if they're not that sure of them) and they will get tetchy.
I never once said I don't believe in UFO's. I find them improbable but not impossible.
I need better evidence than a few grainy photos of 'something' in the sky or some geeky website.
And quite frankly, when I do speak to ufo enthuiasts it never seems to take very long for them to start wanderng into the realms of the things 7thgen has been talking about on other threads.
Aliens living underground and breeding with us and 'masterplans' and all that stuff, I'm sorry, call me cynical but I just switch off when that nonsense is dragged out.
If I'm honest I'd rather talk about football.
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Waffle King
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The chance of there not being Aliens is huge, quite frankly, so anyone who denies their existance should go to astronomy 101 and learn how many f-ing stars there are in the sky, to say "They isn't such a thing" is downright idioticm! but as for the Moon, i've had a think and come up with an interesting conclusion! (for a change) i know Bravo mentioned landing on the moon being impossible cos we can't even land a harrier jet without a computer, but thats just it! we rely on tech more now then ever, so 40 odd years ago, computers where as big as living rooms, so maybe a joystick could have worked better then a computer, it's a catch 22 but i think it sticks
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Raymond
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| Waffle King wrote: | | to say "They isn't such a thing" is downright idioticm! |
You really can't make such sweeping comments like that. It's the same as saying "God exists because the Bible says so".
There's no real evidence to prove aliens exist, likewise there's no real evidence to suggest they don't.
An interesting point was raised on another thread by Sian, if aliens are coming here on a regular basis, why are they being so elusive?
Why come all this way just to be photographed by some dodgy photographer and leave again?
What's the point?
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david hobbs
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Who knows if "aliens" are illusive or not.
Just as an exercise let's imagine that if aliens were visiting and they looked exactly like us, how would we know that they were aliens.
Perhaps the idea of "take me to your leader" is the basis of alien contact and those leaders decided that it is better that us plebs don't get to know about it for our own good.
On the other hand suppose that aliens were so different to us that we would not even recognise them as sentient beings.
Yes it is all suppose this and suppose that but it is all good fun.
The universe is infinite and within infinity (if that is possible) there are an infinite number of possibilities.
One of those possibilities is of course that there are no aliens to visit us, but one possibility out of an infinite number is a very small possibility indeed.
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Bravo
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The universe is not only stranger than we imagine
It's stranger than we can imagine Arthure C Clarke
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Raymond
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| Bravo wrote: | The universe is not only stranger than we imagine
It's stranger than we can imagine Arthure C Clarke |
I was watching his old show on the Paranormal Channel the other day. Took me back to my wayward youth. Is he still alive "on retreat on Sri Lanka?"
Hobbs, you're preaching to the converted mate. How many times do I have to say it?
I believe in the whole UFO/Aliens gig. I happen to agree with waff's post actually, the universe is too big and too vast for there not to be life out there, and yeah, I suppose they have probably been here.
And I get what you say that they may not be like us, they may be creatures made of gas, or water or some substance that we don't even know about.
They may travel by thought or operate their crafts with prayer, they may be so advanced that everyday they have a smile on their lips and a song in their hearts,
all I'm saying is, let's just keep it real, reality as WE know it.
Aliens living underground? Come on.
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Bravo
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| Raymond wrote: | | Is he still alive "on retreat on Sri Lanka?" |
Sadly he died about a year or two ago.
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Waffle King
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| Raymond wrote: | | Waffle King wrote: | | to say "They isn't such a thing" is downright idioticm! |
You really can't make such sweeping comments like that. It's the same as saying "God exists because the Bible says so". |
I can and will, it's a logical assumption based on probility, it's impossible that there isn't some from of Alien life in the universe, Numbers never lie raymond 
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Raymond
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| Waffle King wrote: | | Numbers never lie raymond |
They do when I'm asked my waist size.
I give you, it's a fair assumption, but we cannot state it as fact until there is cast iron proof.
And as much as you and your geeky alien loving friends protest - currently there is no cast iron proof as yet.
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Bravo
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| Quote: | You know there are four hundred billion stars out there just in our galaxy alone.
And if only one in a million of those had planets.
And if only one in a million of those had life.
And if only one of a million of those had intelligent life, there would still be literally millions of civilizations out there. |
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Raymond
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I think that was a quote from Dr.Who wasn't it Bravo?
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Raymond
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LOL!
Sorry Bravo, just playing devil's advocate.
Well somebody has to do it while Kas is still sulking and won't play.
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Bravo
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| Raymond wrote: | | I think that was a quote from Dr.Who wasn't it Bravo? |
Close.
The film Contact
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Waffle King
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| Raymond wrote: | I give you, it's a fair assumption, but we cannot state it as fact until there is cast iron proof.
And as much as you and your geeky alien loving friends protest - currently there is no cast iron proof as yet. |
Prove there isn't any Proof then, cos from all the government covers ups and some pretty strange looking Egyption, Aztec, Mayan, and Celtic writings, paintings, hyrgoliphics all of which have a funny looking humanoid in them, i think you should prove my assumption wrong, so go visit every single star in the known universe, then comeback and tell me i'm wrong, and i'll stop beliving in any form of life other then us foul little humans
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Raymond
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| Waffle King wrote: | | Prove there isn't any Proof then, cos from all the government covers ups |
You're talking in 'facts' again. Just because a lot of people think there are government cover-ups doesn't make them real.
| Waffle King wrote: | | and some pretty strange looking Egyption, Aztec, Mayan, and Celtic writings, paintings, hyrgoliphics all of which have a funny looking humanoid in them, |
Assumptions. People far more clever than you or I have studied these pictures for many years and still nobody can agree on exactly what they represent.
| Waffle King wrote: | | so go visit every single star in the known universe, then comeback and tell me i'm wrong, |
Now you're just being petulant. A common trait when people realise they have lost an argument.
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Bravo
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There is no 'proof', at least not in the public domain.
However, for there not to be other planets with intelligent life on them is a mathematical impossibility.
Now, having said that, these stars are quite far apart. If you imagine a peanut is the Earth, and about a metre away you have a teacup representing the Sun, then the nearest star would be somewhere around New York.
So, it may be that these vast distances are impossible to travel. The only things we so far have discovered that can travel these distances is photons which apparently appear many light years away from where they disappear, essentially travelling back in time to reach their destination.
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david hobbs
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Photons sound interesting.
How fast can they travel?
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Bravo
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| david hobbs wrote: | Photons sound interesting.
How fast can they travel? |
Well theoretically, they travel at the speed of light, as light is essentially what they are, or more correctly, light is photons, rather than photons are light.
However, they also have the qualities of particles, and with applied radiation they have been observed to travel faster than light. And as light is our way of observing stuff, then to our eyes these photons must have travelled back in time to have arrived somewhere else at the same time.
Bit tricky to explain in a post on a forum, especially as I don't fully understand the subject myself.
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david hobbs
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| Bravo wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | Photons sound interesting.
How fast can they travel? |
Well theoretically, they travel at the speed of light, as light is essentially what they are, or more correctly, light is photons, rather than photons are light.
However, they also have the qualities of particles, and with applied radiation they have been observed to travel faster than light. And as light is our way of observing stuff, then to our eyes these photons must have travelled back in time to have arrived somewhere else at the same time.
Bit tricky to explain in a post on a forum, especially as I don't fully understand the subject myself. |
Simple really.
Photons go fast.
Faster than things should go.
We the human race know bugger all.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | We the human race know bugger all. |
And let's hope it stays that way, because as soon as we do know stuff we'll probably end up destroying ourselves.
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billy nomates
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there os a school of thought that says that the landing films were actually made in a studio by stanley kubrick...........
suddenly last week buzz aldrin ( who has said that 2 paceships were watching him and armstrong on the moon) suddenly says that there is a monolith one of mars' moons!!!!!!!!
i wonder what is really going on and why authority seems to be so scared about the public finding out?
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Raymond
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Probably because if there were such thing as proof of the existance of aliens the first thing in society to fall would be the organised religions.
Millions upon millions of people around the world would suddenly have a massive crisis of faith, result; pandemonium.
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david hobbs
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Do me a favour Raymond.
Nothing will shake organised religions because they are belief systems, and belief is everything.
We can discover what ever we like but some will never believe anything other than what they themselves hold to be true.
Do you really think that a Muslim or a Christian would change one iota if a space ship landed on the White house lawn.
Religion would not be shaken it would simply take on the new knowledge and evolve to include it within it's doctrine.
In fact thinking about it even more religions would evolve to worship the space brothers.
I just don't buy the line, "it will unbalance society.
We are allready unbalanced so a few space ships here and there won't change anything.
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Raymond
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The major religions will survive, granted but I think a few of the more devout believers would kick off.
Devout christians and muslims would have a crisis of faith and we are talking millions of them.
They way their religions are structured is to believe that god created the universe, the earth and everything on it. They are taught that god made us the only intelligent species as part fo his good grace and that's one of the reasons we "owe" him so much and should worship him.
A lot of the devouts won't even accept the existance of dinosaurs - and we have solid proof of those, so how do you think they would get on if little green men popped up?
In a round about kind of way I can see why world governments would want to keep all this stuff quiet -I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can see why.
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billy nomates
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perhaps if all the muslims and christians kill each other it will be a good thing!!!!!!
1300 years of feuding over 2 fictional books.and the twats still cant see how stupid they are!
i had to laugh a few months ago when i saw some christian loon saying that fossils were fakes..........
i just think about what sid vicious said!   
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Raymond
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| billy nomates wrote: | | perhaps if all the muslims and christians kill each other it will be a good thing!!!!!! |
AMEN TO THAT!!!!
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