Michael Jackson

Raymond · Michael Jackson

I wonder how long it will be before the conspiracy theorists start spreading stories about Michael Jackson's death was faked to escape his money worries.

I suppose he's already been shipped off to the remote little island where Elvis, Marylin and Princess Diana live.

Bravo

I've just seen him at our local Tesco

Bravo

I think you'll find I made a stunning observation on your facebook thingy

Raymond

I have to say, I started receiving jokes on my phone about it before I even knew he was dead.

It fascinates me how we cope with tradgedy with humour. I don't think any other country reacts in that way.

It's quite unique.

Waffle King

I for one, am glad he's gone ya know, weither it's to "The Island" or Death, the worlds a better place without him, one kiddy fiddler down, a few more hundred priests to go.....

As for the jokes, i heard a doosie tonight, PM if you'd like to hear it

david hobbs

Iam always amazed by the grief that people dispay at the death of someone who they never ever knew.

We just love to wallow don't we.

Bravo

There have been people who have been friends for years, yet have now fallen out because one of them said MJ was a pervert, or said one of the jokes.

In one case, the guy repeated a joke he'd heard about Now Jacko's dead we'll never find out where Maddie was buried (admittedly one of the poorer ones) and a friend of his for years went doolally on him and when the first guy apologised via a private email he got a reply full of swear words and actually asking him for a fight!

People tend to tie in a lot of emotion to songs, and therefore the originators of the songs, when they remind us of events in our lives. It's the only explanation I can think of, yet that doesn't explain Diana.

I am a major Queen fan, had every album of theirs (on vinyl) and know probably 90% of their songs by heart. I was working in Spain when Freddie died and when it came on the news I went 'oh bloody hell, Freddy Mercury has died'....then went to work and had a normal day like any other.

Perhaps some people are just weird.

david hobbs

Yes we all have emotional contact with music and we can feel sad or happy listening to it.

We can feel miserable when a favourite pop star dies.

But why?

Answer, because we enjoy it. If we didn,t enjoy being unhappy we woul stop wallowing in post pop star death misery.

WE NEVER NEW THEM.and so it is all an illusion and so our lives are governed by emotion based upon illusion.

What a joke.

Bravo

Like I said on Raymonds facebook status, all a musician is, is a businessperson. Sometimes they use their music for some cause or other, but usually they use it to line their own pockets....and quite often the best bits about the music we like were done by producers unknown to us the general public (customers).

I like electricity, it keeps me and my family in a good standard of living. I therefore spend a good deal of my income on electricity. Much more than I ever spent on records. So, if the chairman of the leccy board dies, should I then be consumed with grief?

evergreen

Hmm we are all very full of our opinions on this ha!

if someone is sad about this death fair enough, doesn't effect me
I do think its sad that the music man dies... no matter who he is cause I like music. how many of us met Dianna and yet we may have still felt sadness... I don't think there is much wrong with honouring the memory of someone... no matter who they are.

The jokes are here too not at all just for Englishmen Raymond... it appears we all have sick homour :)

evergreen

Raymond

I think the death of Diana was a turning point in British history. For the first time ever we all showed our sadness and grief in a very public way.
Diana, herself, had little to do with it.
Like Jacko, Diana was slagged off constantly during her life but suddenly we were all in love with her when she died.
Apparently sales of Michael Jackson CD's have gone through the roof since his death - more than when he was alive.
It all ties in with those little shrines you see at the sides of roads when somebody is killed in a road accident.
Since Diana's death it has become acceptable to show grief openly.

I'm not sure if I think it's a good thing.

david hobbs

Wanted dead stranger.

I need something to make me feel alive.

Raymond

Mmmm,

Anyway, the point I was trying to make before was there's nothing like a good death to boost a celebrities' flagging career.

Dying was the best thing that could have happened to Jade Goody's career.

david hobbs

Yup.

Dead artists no matter what their art form are always worth more dead than alive.

I suppose that their work becomes a limited edition upon their death.

Oh and they always become nicer people too.

How often do we hear a medium say Oh I have a lovely lady here with me.

Yeah right!

There that should get a certain Tasmaniac typing

xxx

Raymond

That's part of the reason why I've become so disillusioned with this whole 'mediumship' thing.

I went to a demonstration the other week, don't get me wrong, the medium was very 'watchable' and entertaining and dropped in a few funnies but everyone that came through was such "a nice old girl".

Everybody'd dead granny was "a sweet old thing".

Just once it would be so refreshing to have somebody come through who can only be described as a "right miserable old b*stard".

Waffle King

Raymond, when you've passed over, and come back to speak to one of us, i'm pretty sure thats the description we'll get

Raymond

Have you got a job yet?

swanlady

I liked MJ,S music.
But thats all i lied about him.
I do believe he was a Kiddie fiddler.
If anyone wants to fall out with me for my beliefs. feel free.

Bravo

david hobbs

mark

lol

i feel sad about mj,so talented,but he wasnt level headed,was he tormented i think he was

white wolf · MJ

MY VIEW IS I CANT BELIVE HOURS OF TV FOOTAGE SPENT ON SUCH A MAN,WHEN YOUNG GUYS ARE DYING IN BATTLE AND WHO GET NO HEROES WELCOME BACK ON OUR SHORES,THESE ARE THE TRUE LEGENDS AMONG MEN NOT POP STARS.

SWIFT AND BOLD

WW

Raymond

I agree with you 100% White Wolf.

One thing though,... press 'caps lock' would you?

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meiah

Only if you are a sheep

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Raymond

Here's a good 'Michael Jackson Ghost' video. You really can see him. Just at the end of the clip look over the kids' shoulder and you will see Jackson appear. He really is there, you have to look closely at your screen though and I promise you will see him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IFzZrfjXnA

david hobbs

It is just light reflected from airborn dust mate.

Sian

I am a lifelong fan of MJ. My parents loved him too and I grew up with his music.

I was one of the people who went and queued outside the O2 for tickets. Drove from North Wales to London to sit outside for 72 hours to get a chance to see him perform live.

When I heard on the news he was in hospital I was worried, not about my tickets or the concerts, but for the health of a man I admired.

Whe it was confirmed he had died I cried. So much that although I was trying to be silent, I woke my partner Robert up because I was sobbing so much I was shaking the bed.

I watched the memorial with my daughter and I cried in parts.

I shed tears for a man I never knew.

I cried in sympathy for the family, for his children. I cried for the loss of an incredible talent, for the way he lost his life. I felt an empathy with the people who had taken their time to remember someone they knew and loved and I was moved.

I also cried because a man I see as a gentle, generous, loving person was villified bacause of our warped and perverted society. I really don't want to debate the accusations made about him, the fact is I believe with all my heart that he was an innocent man. Now he will never be able to answer his critics. Apparently being aquitted of a crime is not enough.

I cried because a man who had indisputable mental illnesses/issues did not recieve the support he needed and was instead surrounded in users, lost his life. Nobody was there to advise him. Nobody told him enough is enough. He was vunerable and nobody was willing to take his best interests to heart.

A quack doctor overdosed him and he died. That is terrible.

This week I watched the coffins of our servicemen being brought back and I cried. Having a military background and alot of friends in the forces I felt these losses on a personal level.

Does this make me over emotional? I don't know. I don't shed tears easily in day to day life. I certainly don't cry because I think I should.

Raymond

Sian

Again I refuse to argue over the accusations against him. It is a no win argument and I only commit my energy to arguments I know I will win :)

I think music is a very personal and powerful thing which affects us all in different ways. I am a musical person, I couldn't live without it. I sing and play music all day (and night much to my Mr's annoyance). To lose a part of my musical world was, and is, very distressing.

Raymond

Agreed.

When I was growing up all my friends listened to Madonna, Kylie etc., I listened to Shirley Bassey, Judy Garland and Dorothy Squires, (yeah, even back then I was always odd).

Those kind of female singers are what music is all about for me.

Each time Bassey sings a song she gives a part of her life force away. She literally puts her heart and soul into every word, the same could also be said about Garland.

I've travelled all over the country to see Bassey in concert and each time I left with a part of her. I never once felt she was just standing there singing because "it's her job", unlike many of today's singers.

Talent like Shirley Bassey is a dying breed, and I will even go as far as to say talent like Jackson is a dying breed, that's why even though I'm not a fan of Jackson I do respect his talent.

Sian

I think people also forget he was a great philanthropist. He gave many millions of dollars to various charities and causes. Paid for a childs organ transplant, paid for 47 tons of aid to be flown to an area of need, built orphanages, funded childrens charities, environmental charites, animal charities. If you were to listen to the words of songs like man in the mirror and heal the world and then look at how he spent a portion of his money then maybe we would learn something.

He never shouted about it, never went on E! News to tell the world how much he was donating, he just did it. THIS is a massive part of why I admire the man and why I was truly deeply saddened at his death.

The fact is that he wrote (in my opinion and that of millions of people world wide) great songs, was a world class dancer, as acknowledged by the best pro dancers in the world, at 50 he was keeping up with them!

He was a father. His children have lost thier father. This is a tragedy to the hardest of souls.

Maybe I am a fool for feeling a great sadness in his passing. If so I am a fool who is proud of myself for not being afraid to be foolish

Here ends my input on this subject. I am done.

*Climbing down from my soapbox to have a quiet weep*

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