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Meditation or MedicationIf you suffer from winter blues or you're down in the dumps, apparently meditation is the way to go.
And the tiny article at the bottom made me smile - nothing like a bit of alternative medicine.
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Diana
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If you're down in the dumps I am afraid meditation is going to deepen the trance and there's no way you can cheer up. Go out, breathe, live and remember to feel in the here and now.
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david hobbs
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Suppose that you are looking for the reasons that you are down in the dumps by using meditation?
Would that work?
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Diana
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| david hobbs wrote: | Suppose that you are looking for the reasons that you are down in the dumps by using meditation?
Would that work? |
I don't think so cause when you're depressed that would only make you go round and round in circles and make you feel more and more depressed.
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david hobbs
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What do you base your idea on Diana?
Why would meditation not work if you are depressed?
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Raymond
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I have to say, I don't really know what depression is, but if I were depressed the last thing I would want is some Cornish prick telling me to open my chakras and go for an imaginary walk in a beautiful glade. Sod that, pass me the prozac!!!
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evergreen
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well speaking as some one who turned her life around with a routine of mediation... it works...
... I don;'t go round and round in circles when 'i meditate .... maybe you need a new form of meditation ..
meditation is all about learning about you.. about learning how to shift our energy to help you feel better
i totally agree getting out doors and moving and increasing your vibrations is the way to go... and yet meditation is also a fantastic tool
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david hobbs
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As usual Evergreen you know what you are talking about.
Meditations are as varied as are people and if you work closely with the individual and tailor the work to their specific needs then they are always benificial unless of course the person in question really doesn't want to be helped, and I have met some people like that. They wallow in their problems and make a career out of them.
I don't bother with them anymore.
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beantighe
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Raymond, if you don't know what depression is, then you can count yourself very fortunate.
I've been prone to it for most of my life, and I can assure you it's no joke. Luckily I'm happy now, so I don't get it nearly so often.
Personally, I'd much rather meditate than pop pills, as they're only like a plaster to mask something much more serious, and can have serious side-effects of their own - addiction, for one. Besides, I don't trust them and I don't like putting unnecessary chemicals into me, because then the pills take control, and that scares the hell out of me.
I was once given anti-depressants by the doctor many years ago. I read the enclosed leaflet with the list of possible side-effects with mounting horror, including the statement that they might make me feel worse for up to 2 weeks before I began to feel better. As there was no way I wanted to feel any worse, I chucked the lot away without taking any. Anyway, I didn't want pills - what I really needed at the time was a friend to talk to.
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Raymond
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| beantighe wrote: | | Raymond, if you don't know what depression is, then you can count yourself very fortunate. |
I don't know. What's there to get depressed about? Life is wonderful.
I know plenty of people who say they are depressed but to be honest the vast majority of them just need to stop being miserable bloody swine and find something to cheer themselves up.
I also think a lot of them actually enjoy being depressed. They actually feel good when they feel bad.
I get off days - like everyone, the trick is not to wallow in it and start feeling sorry for yourself. Once you do that you're really in trouble.
And all this SAD nonsense. What a load of crap!!!
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evergreen
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well some people do get depressed. often they are very hard on themselves.... and some people do need a kick up the bum... 
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Raymond
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A lot of it is mamby-pamby though Evergreen.
I saw a bloke yesterday outside the Salvation Army. He was every inch the classic 'tramp'.
His feet were coming out of his shoes, there were holes in his clothes big enough to climb through and he stank to high heaven. He was picking up all fag butts from the floor and smoking them.
If anybody has the right to be 'depressed' it's him. But he was a cheerful as the day is long.
As far as I'm concerned, if you wake up each morning in a bed and you know where the day's food is coming from, you have absolutely no reason to be depressed.
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beantighe
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Oh Raymond, you really don't understand, do you? Like I said, if you've never experienced depression, you really are very lucky, you know.
Depression is an illness, it can strike anyone at any time in their lives, even though they may outwardly have no reason to be depressed. And the very worst thing you can say to someone with this condition is 'Pull yourself together'. Sufferers would love to, but they can't.
No-one chooses to be depressed, just as no-one chooses to be gay.
It's just something a person has no control over. They really can't help it.
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Raymond
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Like you say, maybe it's something that has to be experienced to be understood.
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evergreen
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I think it is something that has to be experienced to be understood properly.. going round and round in circles talking about issues isn't always helpful to these people either... there have to be a range of things that help different people...
There is a vast difference between being down and out and being depressed... that "tramp" Raymond may have had no cares in the world.. an he is happy depression isn't just for people who have nothing it strikes all randomly no matter what your circumstances
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meiah
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As someone who has been depressed, I can say meditation does help. To have that break from yourself, to see things from outside of your self, is a great tool.
Medication also gives you that break, but not the insight.
Both stop you going round and round things in your head.
And Raymond, you are right in so many ways. To focus on the simple things that are right, is a great tool in seeing though the things that are too much. The secret is to do that every day, not when those things are the ONLY thing that is right.
It causes a change of mindset to one where you see the good and right. Depression is one where you cannot see past the wrong or bad.
It is all-encompassingly awful, an absolute.
Hence, not being depressed is the only way out of depression. Try saying that to someone who can see nothing else. It is simply not possible to be anything but depressed........apart from not being depressed.
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david hobbs
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It seems that both meditation and depression is a focusing of the mind upon a state of being.
A kind of narrowing down of perspective and it depends on the make up of the individual as to how they can or cannot control it.
We choose what the focus is to be for ourselves perhaps?
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meiah
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I think yes and no.
Meditation, to me, accesses possibilities, from which you may choose. Expansion then contraction to the point of focus.
Depression is a narrowing down to only one state, from which you can choose the way out. Contraction to the point of focus and then expansion.
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Raymond
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| meiah wrote: |
And Raymond, you are right in so many ways. To focus on the simple things that are right, is a great tool in seeing though the things that are too much. The secret is to do that every day, not when those things are the ONLY thing that is right. |
Such an inteligent lady. Why can't we have more of them on GHE?
Actually I make a point of doing just that every day Meiah. Each day, no matter where I am or what I'm doing I make a point of noticing the little things - both externally and internally.
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david hobbs
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| meiah wrote: | I think yes and no.
Meditation, to me, accesses possibilities, from which you may choose. Expansion then contraction to the point of focus.
Depression is a narrowing down to only one state, from which you can choose the way out. Contraction to the point of focus and then expansion. |
Well that sounds more like contemplation to me.
The best meditation for me is focus then total expansion.
No room for choices just the experience.
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evergreen
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| Raymond wrote: | | meiah wrote: |
And Raymond, you are right in so many ways. To focus on the simple things that are right, is a great tool in seeing though the things that are too much. The secret is to do that every day, not when those things are the ONLY thing that is right. |
Such an inteligent lady. Why can't we have more of them on GHE?
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hmm cold say the same for intelligent gay for really
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Raymond
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I was including you in that EG, it's the others I was talking about.
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