david hobbs
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It's all EnergyIf everything is energy, then what is my shadow?
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meiah
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Still energy.
It is the other side of the coin
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Raymond
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It's the light not being able to pass through your physical matter.
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Waffle King
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It's the residual trace elements refracted around your physiology that leaves an optical illsuion of a shadow
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david hobbs
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If the shadow exists as a "lesser part" of ourselves, then the light that we come from would be the "greater part" of ourselves.
We it would seem are piggy in the middle.
With will and effort we can explore all three and perhaps grow to understand what we really are.
Those of you who have felt the light will know this and we strive for the light, but we are light, physical, and shadow so should we explore and seek all three in equal proportion?
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meiah
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Yes.
Light and darkness are concept to give form to the physical. By exploring all three, we understand the form, and also that which forms our concept of light and dark.
It is often the same thing.
Just as pure potential and chaos are the same thing seen from different perspectives.
Our strengths are our weaknesses.
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david hobbs
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I have explored the dark through weakness but to live in the light requires strength.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | I have explored the dark through weakness but to live in the light requires strength. |
Have you been at the fortune cookies again Hobbs?
What requires 'strength' (if that's the right word) is to keep a perfect balance between the light and the dark at all times.
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | I have explored the dark through weakness but to live in the light requires strength. |
Have you been at the fortune cookies again Hobbs?
What requires 'strength' (if that's the right word) is to keep a perfect balance between the light and the dark at all times. |
It requires more than that because it is simply not possible.
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meiah
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Back to basics please.......what is dark and what is light?
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david hobbs
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The same thing from the same source but with all to human interpretation placed upon them.
Both are illusions because they are not the whole.
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Raymond
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| david hobbs wrote: | | It requires more than that because it is simply not possible. |
You think so?
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Raymond
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| meiah wrote: | | Back to basics please.......what is dark and what is light? |
Very good question and almost imposible to answer because once again the distinction between 'light' and 'dark' are pretty much up to the decision of the individual.
To put it very simply, some people are seen as 'good' people. others are seen as 'bad' people.
To my mind both are out of whack and neither will find true balance.
True balance comes from being an equal measure of both. Then things work.
It's why nature works so incredibly well because over time it has found it's balance. Both loving and cruel all at the same time.
I agree that it is difficult for an individual person to achieve such things but with a little thought it is possible to balance out your "bad" bits.
That's why I don't generally accept the woolly notion of Karma. In my experience, so called "bad Karma" only happens when a person is out of balance.
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david hobbs
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| Raymond wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | It requires more than that because it is simply not possible. |
You think so? |
Perhaps for a brief time we stand between the worlds and as you know Raymond that is a place of power and stillness but 99.99999% of the time we do not.
So I understand what you mean but to most it is impossible, and to some it is fleeting, to the Avatars it is permanent.
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Raymond
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Well, I never said it was easy, but it certainly isn't impossible.
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david hobbs
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OK agreed, and it is worth the effort to be in that place even for a tiny fraction of time.
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Raymond
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You're thinking too big again Hobbs.
I wasn't talking about Nirvana or perpetual states of bliss or anything like that. I was referring more to ordinary, everyday actions.
To me, people who come across as too 'positive' are just as out of balance as people who are too 'negative'.
Being too 'good' is just as wrong as being too 'bad'.
Next time you swat that fly for buzzing around and annoying the hell out of you, balance it out by leaving a few seeds out for the birds.
You took one thing from nature so pay her back by giving something back.
It's not rocket science.
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david hobbs
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Well I do feed the birds in my garden every day and the little buggers repay me by pooping on the washing.
Still whats a little poop when you can enjoy watching the antics of the critters in the garden.
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Raymond
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Some would say your "garden" belongs to nature, as do the birds.
Nature didn't make the great outdoors for you to hang your smalls out, she created it for the birds to fly in.
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david hobbs
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Tell me that the next time a passing bird shits on your head.
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Raymond
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It's never happened. And I have never been stung by a bee or bitten by a mozzie.
It's almost as if a greater force were on my side.
Imagine that.
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david hobbs
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How the heck could they miss.
So you have never been pooped on by a bird.
I suppose that is the benefit of being a city witch.
The pigeons are to busy coughing to fly around pooping on people.
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Raymond
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Which brings us nicely back to balance.
When you live in balance amazing things happen. Understanding the laws of nature and living with and not against it's cycles and rhythms is the only way to a charmed life.
Never mind the "will of God", apart from being a load of crap most of it is man-made anyway.
Concern yourself more with learning the will of nature.
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david hobbs
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I shall but first I must go and have my dinner.
Feel the force Raymond.....Feel the force. 
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meiah
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| david hobbs wrote: | The same thing from the same source but with all to human interpretation placed upon them.
Both are illusions because they are not the whole. |
Yep. so what was the question?
If its all down to interpretation, perspective, why not just see the darkness differently, and hoorah, no "nasty" implications?
No difficulty, no strength needed. Just a decision.
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david hobbs
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Let me sum up how I feel on light and dark.
My teacher said that he is a vegetarian non smoker non drinker by choice and had been for years.
I asked him why did he choose to be those things.
He said that it meant that he did not even have to think about drinking smoking or eating the flesh of a dead animal.
All very commendable.
I explained to him that I drank smoked and ate dead animals and that was by choice so I too had no problems struggling to make a decision about my lifestyle.
He was not amused.
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meiah
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A sense of humour! SO it can all be summed up by choice.
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meiah
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Ok, so back to the original question, what do you choose your shadow to be?
(Given that you make your own reality etc etc)
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Raymond
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Vegetarianism, like Environmentalism, is another way to help make people feel better than other people.
A bit like religion.
"I don't eat meat*, I don't smoke*, I don't drink*, I recycle my waste*, I love God* so therefor I'm better than you!"
* delete as appropriate.
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evergreen
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um my shadow is something I try to embrace.. the parts of me that stand up for me its something I have had to let grow and be heard a whole lot more.. there was a time when I was scared of what you may term your shadow self.. but then I realised if I allow it to speak and be heard then why fear it afteral its all a part of me
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Raymond
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Many people in the so-called 'New-Age' movement make the mistake of shunning their shadow because it's been labelled as 'evil'.
Your darker side is no more 'evil' than your lighter side.
Many new-agers bring with them feelings of guilt and sin from their Jewish/Christian/Muslim upbringing and transfer those feelings onto a pagan spiritual framework.
Evil comes from the person. Your shadow in itself isn't evil, it's how you relate to it and interpret it's teachings that can make it manifest as evil.
Take lust for example. Many would say lust belongs in the shadow, many would say lust is an evil thing.
Those who are out of balance and not in touch with their darkerself may very well interpret their lust as something bad and could use it in a very negative way as in rape, for example.
Those who embrace their darkerside will acknowledge their lust and own it and use it in a positive way to better their lovemaking and have a more fulfilling sex life.
Embrace your darkerself and own it. As I've said before, all life begins in the dark.
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evergreen
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I like that description 
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