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david hobbs

Is religion a thing of the past

I mean contemporary religions such as Christianity.

We no longer fill the churches on a Sunday morning and interest seems at an all time low.

But what do you replace it with.

Society needs rules and religion provides those rules.  Some good and some bad, but at least there is a framework to operate within.

Does it really matter what a person believes as long as that belief helps them.

Is it a good thing that in this country Christianity (a state religion so nothing voluntary there then) is dying.
Hunter

To be honest with you David I don't give a ****
Raymond

I think organised religion will always have a part to play in society, it must be remembered it still has a stranglehold over many, many people.

In as far as christianity in Britian is concerned, I think it will become more and more fragmented.

I hear of people leaving the 'mainstream' churches and joining up with these fracture groups.
People declaring themselves 'ministers' and getting themselves a flock.

Recently I have met some of the so-called 'universal ministers' who don't follow any particular religion but claim a spirituality that covers all religions.

I can see religion becoming more of a personal thing as time moves on but in Britain there will always be some form of officially recognised church because it has to be remembered our form of government is quite unique.
Unlike other european countries the church and state are interlocked.

How can you seperate church and state when the head of the church and the head of state is the same person?
Samjaza

Why not replace it with philosophy churches or creative things. I went to a few squat parties, much more creative and you learn a lot too.
I made a very nice ashtray from clay instead of feeling dizzy from vinegary communion wine and crappy wafers.
Raymond

I've never had one of those church wafer thingys. What do they taste like?
Bravo

I pray to God that the evil of religion does come to an end
Raymond

Samjaza wrote:
I went to a few squat parties, much more creative and you learn a lot too.


I lived in a squat for 2 weeks once. A friend of mine found herself homeless so we broke into a block of flats due for demolition. We had the whole building to ourselves.
It was one of the best two weeks of my life, non-stop parties, orgies and the air was thick with incense and other smoking material.
Great fun.

I went home after two weeks though. I was sick of having cold baths and nowhere to plug in my hair straightners.
Waffle King

even if religion is abolished, it'll still be about, it gave us some spectacular swear words, some excellent Monty Python sketches and above all, self control, relgion is beliving in yourself, rather then in a god, so is it fading? or are we just evoling into more then divine seeking humanoids that roam this planet in answer to stupid questions
Raymond

Now you've taken the whole discussion to a whole different level. There's a huge difference between religion just fading away naturally and actually being abolished.

Cromwell tried to abolish religion once. Look what happened to him.
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
Samjaza wrote:
I went to a few squat parties, much more creative and you learn a lot too.


I lived in a squat for 2 weeks once. A friend of mine found herself homeless so we broke into a block of flats due for demolition. We had the whole building to ourselves.
It was one of the best two weeks of my life, non-stop parties, orgies and the air was thick with incense and other smoking material.
Great fun.

I went home after two weeks though. I was sick of having cold baths and nowhere to plug in my hair straighteners.


You just went way up in my estimation

Reeeespect.
david hobbs

Well I like Sams idea.

Religous and spiritual philosophy.

By the time you have finished debating your'e to knackered to fight.
Waffle King

Raymond wrote:
Now you've taken the whole discussion to a whole different level. There's a huge difference between religion just fading away naturally and actually being abolished.

Cromwell tried to abolish religion once. Look what happened to him.


In this day and age raymond, tell me the difference and i'll give you a fiver
Raymond

david hobbs wrote:
You just went way up in my estimation


Is that possible?

Hobbs, if I told you half the stories of things I've done in my 38 years you'd end up either hating me or falling in love with me.

I'll keep most of them to myself.
Raymond

Waffle King wrote:
tell me the difference and i'll give you a fiver


A fiver? wow.

I am genuinely impressed.

A fiver is quite a high percentage of JSA money.
wackyjacky

hi guys, I'm not the religious type but I found this quite funny...

Dave Allen on Religion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo81Ok9Urk  
david hobbs

Religion like belief is a lie.

We have two sides to out brain and one side knows what is right and the other thinks it knows what is right.
When we are  tiny children we do not have a God or a Devil,we just live our lives in a natural way seeing feeling sensing.  We KNOW what is right and wrong because basically nothing is right or wrong, it just is.
That is our true spirit.
Then as we grow we "learn about the world".  We are told by others what is good and what is bad, and we BELIEVE what we are told because we are young and without experience.
We are fed religion or atheism by those around us and we THINK about these things and the left hand brain takes over and in most people the noise of the left brain drowns out the instinctive understanding of the right.
We now think that we know something and we will repeat our beliefs to others and become quite upset when others appear not to agree with us.
In fact both others and ourselves are living an illusion.  We have become separated from our true selves.

I am a magician I am a Witch I am a Christian I am a Muslim etc.

You have thought yourself into prison of belief and thrown away the key.



Maybe
Raymond

Definately 'Maybe'.

Being a Witch wasn't somethin I was taught by anyone. For a long time I resisted learning about the craft but it just seemed to keep calling me back. Everywhere I went it just seemed to keep 'cropping up'.
It's almost as if IT chose me.

I'm always willing to listen to a different story. Take on another point of view but so far I am yet to hear anything that makes more sense on how the universe works than the teachings of the craft.

I do hope you realise Mr. Hobbs that your beliefs on belief is nothing more than a belief system in itself.
billy nomates

organised religion will always exist because there are many predatory people and even more gullible or weak people.

the majority of the leaders profess concern and piety yet it is just an excuse to steal money,sexualy abuse children or terrorize the proles..

'get 'em young' seems to be the maxim of religion ( as well as bankers) and then it seems it is possible to brainwash even educated people........

the modern world is run by vested interests not by altruism.

i like the shamanic way where a true teacher will help if asked-
for no reward......
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
Definately 'Maybe'.

Being a Witch wasn't somethin I was taught by anyone. For a long time I resisted learning about the craft but it just seemed to keep calling me back. Everywhere I went it just seemed to keep 'cropping up'.
It's almost as if IT chose me.

I'm always willing to listen to a different story. Take on another point of view but so far I am yet to hear anything that makes more sense on how the universe works than the teachings of the craft.

I do hope you realise Mr. Hobbs that your beliefs on belief is nothing more than a belief system in itself.


Of course.
evergreen

i think religion is actually very strong in society today...  it may be changing into a religion not so much with rules but with understanding of differences.. and that a great thing :)  I hope anyway

they are bringing chaplains into schools here.. though I have my children abstaining from religion I don't abstain from the teachings of treating people with respect and dignity
matt

Re: Is religion a thing of the past

david hobbs wrote:
I mean contemporary religions such as Christianity.

We no longer fill the churches on a Sunday morning and interest seems at an all time low.

But what do you replace it with.

Society needs rules and religion provides those rules.  Some good and some bad, but at least there is a framework to operate within.

Does it really matter what a person believes as long as that belief helps them.

Is it a good thing that in this country Christianity (a state religion so nothing voluntary there then) is dying.


I'm not so sure that actual belief has altered that dramatically over the years its just that now people aren't really pressured into going to church, its not a thing that you need to do to be accepted into the community.
david hobbs

Come another big war or plague and believe me it will be standing room only at the churches once again.

It will also be a lot busier around coven fires and Spiritualist Churches.

People who feel helpless and hopeless derive great comfort from a God.

It matters not which God but when we face the unknown we turn to the unknown for comfort and answers.
matt

david hobbs wrote:
Come another big war or plague and believe me it will be standing room only at the churches once again.

It will also be a lot busier around coven fires and Spiritualist Churches.

People who feel helpless and hopeless derive great comfort from a God.

It matters not which God but when we face the unknown we turn to the unknown for comfort and answers.


Yep, in the end we only start asking questions when we really need answers.

Wonder if there has been an increase in people taking up religion during this current economic crisis?

matt
Raymond

Actually, I know of a fair few people who have joined - what can only be described as - 'splinter group' churches.

I actually went to a wedding the other week of somebody who has recently joined one of these groups. On a Tuesday they meet in a school hall, on a Thursday they meet in a scout hut and on a Sunday morning they meet in a room above a pub.

They are just a group of ordinary people who get together and pray and study the bible.

The leader of the group calls himself 'Father John', he isn't a priest or minister or anything like that, he's actually a children's entertainer and part-time DJ.
He did the wedding and the disco afterwards.

A bigger bunch of freakazoids you will never meet.
matt

Raymond wrote:
Actually, I know of a fair few people who have joined - what can only be described as - 'splinter group' churches.

I actually went to a wedding the other week of somebody who has recently joined one of these groups. On a Tuesday they meet in a school hall, on a Thursday they meet in a scout hut and on a Sunday morning they meet in a room above a pub.

They are just a group of ordinary people who get together and pray and study the bible.

The leader of the group calls himself 'Father John', he isn't a priest or minister or anything like that, he's actually a children's entertainer and part-time DJ.
He did the wedding and the disco afterwards.

A bigger bunch of freakazoids you will never meet.


Can't think of a better way to worship then over a pint lol.

@Raymond why do you have a banner for scientology in your post?
Raymond

matt wrote:
Raymond why do you have a banner for scientology in your post?


Because old Hobbsy is too tight to have the ads removed from the site.

You just had one advertising a website for single Muslims.
matt

Raymond wrote:
matt wrote:
Raymond why do you have a banner for scientology in your post?


Because old Hobbsy is too tight to have the ads removed from the site.

You just had one advertising a website for single Muslims.




hmmm, if there are any single muslim ladies out there then get yer burcha, you've pulled.
Raymond

There's one on there now advertising necklaces with your name printed in vinyl.

Hobbs! These ads are no longer funny. Get rid.
david hobbs

Listen to me.

I like the adverts.

Women in Burkas and stuff to make your old chap stiff.


What the hell would I do without the adverts.......
Raymond

Use a coupke of lolly sticks and get Magi to put a tablecloth on her head.

Now get rid.

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