david hobbs
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GuidesIf we humans have guides as is often claimed, the I often wonder who guides the "lower" beings.
We hear tell of lower or dark entities so do they have guides I wonder?
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mark
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i think they have guides,but they choose to not either accept them or just dont understand them ,they possibly see something or feel but dont get it
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mark
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i do hope that makes sense
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Lilly
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| mark wrote: | | i do hope that makes sense |
Purrfick ! to me Mark, dunno about David,he's younger than me,and a bit slower...oops! I've done it now 
I shall have to grovel later. 
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david hobbs
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I don't think that I am younger that you Lilly am I?
I asked the question,who guides the lower realms in a spiritualist church once and was all but told that I was mad.
They seemed to think that only humans have guides.
The idea struck me as daft because surely if, and I do mean if, we have guides to help us to evolve the surely so do the lower realms, if indeed they exist.
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meiah
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I don't understand the "lower" thing. Could you explain please?
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david hobbs
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Perhaps elemental level.
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Lilly
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| david hobbs wrote: | I don't think that I am younger that you Lilly am I?
I asked the question,who guides the lower realms in a spiritualist church once and was all but told that I was mad.
They seemed to think that only humans have guides.
The idea struck me as daft because surely if, and I do mean if, we have guides to help us to evolve the surely so do the lower realms, if indeed they exist. |
Two years to be exact,is our age difference.
I think in my humble opinion,that every living thing,elemental,or not has a 'guide' or helper.Maybe its our own 'overself'?
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meiah
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| david hobbs wrote: | | Perhaps elemental level. |
Still don't understand (sorry, am not being deliberately thick)
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david hobbs
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Spiritualists are always banging on about negative or dark spirits.
These they consider to be of the lower level.
These are the entities that i asked about when I asked the question who guides the lower realms.
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mark
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banging on....  thats a way to put it dave ,this is of course correct that they talk of these energies but also there are many mediums who dont talk about negative dark spirits,i believe they ,(some)dont come across these ,or if they do they just have no interest in lower energys
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Lilly
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| meiah wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | Perhaps elemental level. |
Still don't understand (sorry, am not being deliberately thick) |
I think David is referring to the 'lower astral beings' the mischievous spirits,and the poltergeists,imps,demons etc.
The elemental on the other hand are;
We call these beings elementals although they are also known as Faeries and are a part of the Faerie realms. Many traditional cultures have sensed the presence of spirits in nature, the elements of fire earth water and air have their own separate groups.
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Tommy
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My feeling is that these beings are only in a lower plane because they have not accepted guidance. Mentally and emotionally they are opposed to the influence of their guides, instead relying on their imperfect egotistical will power. Just my own opinion.
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david hobbs
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| Tommy wrote: | | My feeling is that these beings are only in a lower plane because they have not accepted guidance. Mentally and emotionally they are opposed to the influence of their guides, instead relying on their imperfect egotistical will power. Just my own opinion. |
So then we are back to the question, who guides them?
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Lilly
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I believe I said earlier that I thought all living things /beings have a guide of some sort?
Think about the saying; Big fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite them,and little fleas have littler fleas---so ad infinitum.
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Tommy
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| david hobbs wrote: | | So then we are back to the question, who guides them? |
I suspect they rely on their own egotistical willpower and deflect guidance from higher up. All incarnated beings ostensibly have a guide. Whether or not you are in tune with them is another matter.
So they may have guides... but they are unguided. Does that make sense?
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david hobbs
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| Tommy wrote: | | david hobbs wrote: | | So then we are back to the question, who guides them? |
I suspect they rely on their own egotistical willpower and deflect guidance from higher up. All incarnated beings ostensibly have a guide. Whether or not you are in tune with them is another matter.
So they may have guides... but they are unguided. Does that make sense? |
Only if you believe in belief itself.
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Tommy
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well David, there's one thing I definitely don't believe. I don't believe you believe in belief!
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david hobbs
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| Tommy wrote: | | well David, there's one thing I definitely don't believe. I don't believe you believe in belief! |
I believe totally in belief.
Belief manifesting as fact and deceiving the believer..
I believe that's what I believe anyway.
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Tommy
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But if it's fact it can't be a belief! That's a fact, and I don't believe it!
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david hobbs
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| Tommy wrote: | | But if it's fact it can't be a belief! That's a fact, and I don't believe it! |
I gotta headache.
All I am suggesting is this.
How much of what you and I "know" is actually belief.
You have to be honest for this one, but I find that it opens up an awful lot to contemplate.
Once the belief is gone there is a very large vacuum indeed.
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Tommy
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You can't move forward decisively if you are standing on a rotating turntable wearing a blindfold, which is kind of how I see you at times.
You have to believe. If if you wait until you know, you'll be sitting there forever.
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david hobbs
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| Tommy wrote: | You can't move forward decisively if you are standing on a rotating turntable wearing a blindfold, which is kind of how I see you at times.
You have to believe. If if you wait until you know, you'll be sitting there forever. |
I prefer the turntable to blind faith.
At least the scenery changes from time to time.
You do not have to believe in anything ever.
What is belief.
Empty concept and succour for the feeble minded..
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david hobbs
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Anyway as I asked earlier.
If the belief is taken from what we think we know, then what is left?
I am not having a pop at anyone.
I am trying to make some sense of belief and how it fits in to our concept of what reality is.
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Lilly
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| david hobbs wrote: | Anyway as I asked earlier.
If the belief is taken from what we think we know, then what is left?
I am not having a pop at anyone.
I am trying to make some sense of belief and how it fits in to our concept of what reality is. |
 I believe its snowing
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Tommy
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No Lilly, you know it's snowing... knowledge supplants belief. 
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Lilly
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| Tommy wrote: | | No Lilly, you know it's snowing... knowledge supplants belief. |
yeah! but I still have to believe it,[take a look at chat;its snowed!]
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