Samjaza
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Ethics of 'spells'Spoke about the ethics of spells in the LAmmas post. Would like to hear others opinions on the ethics of what is correct or not in terms of spells.
Are love spells ok, death spells justified? etc ?
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Raymond
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It's a personal choice in my opinion. Personally I wouldn't have any qualms with performing any type of spell so long as I was comfortable in my own mind that it was justified.
I do have a problem with dabblers however. People who read these "how to" books and suddenly they think they're a Witch.
I don't mean to sound elitist here but there are some people (quite a lot of people actually) who should never be allowed within 10 feet of the craft because they just end up damaging themselves and/or others with their dabbling.
If you poke about with a screwdriver in an electric box long enough, sooner or later you will fry.
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matt
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| Raymond wrote: | It's a personal choice in my opinion. Personally I wouldn't have any qualms with performing any type of spell so long as I was comfortable in my own mind that it was justified.
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Funnily enough i had this debate yesterday, i agree with you and i can't help but wonder if people nowadays are morally handicaped by how society has developed.
I wonder whether the accient people of a pre-christian etc world would have faced the same moral dilema that people today do at casting a curse for example etc.
Surely we should be guided by our own morallity? Not that of others?
matt
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Raymond
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Absolutely right Matt. It makes my blood boil when I hear people going on about the threefold return and all that nonsense.
The threefold return (along with the Witch's Rede) was made up by Uncle Gerald in the 50's. It's not holy writ.
If you feel totally justified that somebody deserves you working negative magik against them, then go for it.
But if there's even an ounce of doubt in your mind that it's uncalled for then listen to that too because the chances are it probably is.
Our pagan ancestors wouldn't have given a crap. They used to kill people just because they were from a different tribe or wore different animal skins. They didn't have any hang ups about "Karma".
And as for the Witches of the Middle Ages/Dark Ages, they used to hex people then take money off the person to remove the hex, they certainly didn't worry about 'An it harm none'.
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evergreen
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yeah but they did end up paying with witch hunts....
I do not know much about spells at all ... If I needed help I would hope that the person I went to would be open to assisting me in the way I was looking if that meant a spell then so be it
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Raymond
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| evergreen wrote: | | yeah but they did end up paying with witch hunts.... |
Ahh yes, but even most of that was a money spinner. The Witch Finders did very well finacially out of that.
Anyway, I don't think most of the people who were put to death were Witches anyway, most likely they were poor unfortunates who were singled out because of their age or state of mind.
The real Witches were too clever and went underground.
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evergreen
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Actually Raymond I have had a run of clients come to me with the idea that they have been hexed and they want to know if it is true... basically they all appear to have gone to a reader who told them they were hexed and then offered to remove the hex for a fee....
is this standard or a common for you as a witch.....??
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Raymond
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To be honest I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that there are so many 'How To Do Spells' books that people think they can do hexes and curses but really can't.
A hex is generally more than a 'run of bad luck', if a person is genuinely hexed then they would know about it before any fortune teller could tell them.
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david hobbs
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I have had people get in touch of late seriously thinking that they have been cursed.
I have to spend as much time on that as I would on a suspected haunting.
I have found that it is just as interesting.
I have also found that believing that you are cursed can become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Perhaps we are now entering a new age and need a site caled....Hexremoversextraordinaire.
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meiah
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Hmmm....... (here's a thought that randomly occured to me)
Sometimes when people blame others for what is happenning to themselves, it can be the first step to noticing how much they take responsibility for themselves (or not), and that in itself can be a really cool step towards being their own person, rather than a victim.
Or on the other hand, when they see themselves as a victim, and choose not to be, they are becoming aware of their choices.
I like how this is happenning in different places, at the same time.
Awareness beckons
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Samjaza
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| Raymond wrote: | Absolutely right Matt. It makes my blood boil when I hear people going on about the threefold return and all that nonsense.
The threefold return (along with the Witch's Rede) was made up by Uncle Gerald in the 50's. It's not holy writ.
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ditto.
to be a devils advocate though I wonder if Gardner was reffering to a philosophical return rather than a 'crafty' one.
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Raymond
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In my experience people who believe they are cursed usually aren't. However, the belief of thinking you are cursed can sometimes be more devistating that actually being cursed.
I think in this 'new age', cursing and hexing is going to become the new satan.
It's an easy way for the feeble-minded to pass personal responsibility away from themselves and blame their own shortcomings and f*ck ups on an outside influence.
"Of course my life is a mess, I've been cursed"
"Of course I lost my job, I've been cursed"
"Of course I drink, I've been cursed"
"Of course I had to kill him, I've been cursed"
.....oh I can hear it now.
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