Emotion

david hobbs · Emotion

I put a thread on about not being free whilst you have emotions.

I meditated on this and I would say thay anyone who wants to try it will be rewarded and strengthened by what they disscover.

You don't even have to be in a state of meditation (life is the biggest meditation of all, it is to me anyway)

Watch your emotions, and see how they affect you, and where they come from.

Or not. as the case may be.

You are a prisoner.

wackyjacky

Nothing like a bit of a feel good factor aye David!!?!!

david hobbs

I like to cheer people up.

I wonder if anyone tried watching their emotions or just thought it was a daft idea?

Perhaps it is!

evergreen

emotions and feeling are different things- I dont 'want to be ruled by my emotions but I would like to be governed by how I feel- emotions can get in the way

david hobbs

evergreen

but without feelings what am I?

Raymond

You lot don't half talk some drivel.

First of all we're not allowed to have belief, now we're not allowed to have emotion.

What is this place? The Hitler Youth???

david hobbs

If it where I would be to old to join.

You are allowed whatever you want in this world, but sometimes it is interesting to look at things from another perspective.

It is not about being allowed emotion but watching the effect that emotions have on you.

As for belief it is again about seeing where belief comes from and what it does.

It's not everyones cup of tea but it passes the time.

Seig Heil

Opppsss

meiah

"you are a prisoner"

Perhaps so, but only until you see the bars. Its an awareness thing......and for me, one of the best things of our "humanness", as long as we keep that awareness that we do not have to feel this way, and so make it a choice.

(Good grief, where did that come from....and before my tea and toast!!)

wackyjacky

David, you said...

david hobbs

david hobbs

meiah

I know, me too. I choose, but without fully comprehending "me", I do not see the impact of that choice until it is made, and so become aware of more "prison bars", and so choose again, and again (hence I am not enlightened....crossing threads there!!).

Its not a struggle though, its ....errr....enlightening

evergreen

I've still been thinking about this topic- yeah I know - get a life hey

there are many emotions and many of them are great like love and happiness and enjoyment and gratitude and success however there are other emotions such as fear and anger and guilt etc that are hard but you know they are great emotions they are there for me to recognise and try to work through and understand me better .. just because they are hard doesn't mean they are not needed or great for me

Raymond

david hobbs

The key is simple. Just watch what decisions you make when you are not in control of your emotions. Notice how you are drained or buoyed up by them.

Again I say that emotion is faster acting that thought.

You are ruled by your emotions if this is true.

Therefore you are not in control of your life.

evergreen

are we ever in control of our life.. I thought that was an illusion

david hobbs

meiah

Again, I say it is an awareness thing.

It occured to me quite a time back that my body seemed to be aware of things that my head didn't know yet. I was reacting to things that I had not thought.
Yes, emotion is involved in that, but emotion is another physical reaction, and one that brings whatever the body is reacting to to our conscious mind.

We (or many of us) are programmed to ignore things that make no rational sense, or that go against our belief systems, and so for us they do not exist in consciousness. That doesn't stop us reacting physical to that stimuli though.

So, maybe, rather than being ruled by our emotions, they are in fact a very effective part of a communication process (as well as being a chemical reaction)

evergreen

yes very good meiah.. David emotions are part of us perhaps its best to work with them rather than against them... let learn from the emotions not try to control them but understand them and why they effects us the way they do

david hobbs

It is an awarness thing

That is the whole point I am making Meiah.

Yes we should work with/on our emotionns by observing the effect on ourselves.

Do it for a day and then tell me that you are not ruled by your emotions.

You are reacting to a emotional response because I am suggesting something that is to you dehumanising, and it brings out a fear and a feeling of insecurity.

I think

If reaction follows emotion you are ruled by emotion.

Nothing wrong in that it is just the way it is.

The scary thing is that you are not in control

meiah

I have a feeling we are saying the same thing, but so differently I am not seeing it.

Not in control of what?

You can have an emotional reaction, but you still have choice.

Ah, OK, so what you are saying is that if you react emotionally, without standing back and looking at things....without exercising your choice, then you are being ruled by your emotions (and from there, whatever stimulus is having an affect on you), and so have not taking control.

Is it?

david hobbs

yes and in future you can be my spokesperson

Same thing. Different perspective.

I sometimes wonder if emotions are thoughts from a different perspective.

Samjaza

Being emotionaless is being objective.
This is a nice blue pen is subjective, I like it because I like the colour blue.
Being objective is to say simply it is a pen. No emotional attachment.
Does that mean a man with no emotions is a zombie without care? I think in a way the opposite happens.
The Dalai Lama for instance has trained all his life to rid himself of ego and emotion for the purpose of 'spiritual enlightenment', yet he is one of the most compassionate and empathatic persons on the planet.
Ridding the self of its self emotional state creates a panoramic view.
Most of our emotions derive from self preservation and pro creation, the need to survive and continue. Greed, hunger and want, lust.
What we need and what we want are two different things.
Why is it I can say i like things that others hate and visa versa when as both of us are the same human being the object in question has no particular effect on us at all, except by our viewpoint of it.

Raymond

Samjaza

Ego? just the body we mould as us really. We've all basically have eyes and ears and what not. I’m different to you because of how and whre I was raised. My experiences create my fears and prejudices and beliefs. I look in the mirror and say that’s me. People describe me by my personality. Ego isn’t a real thing, just the mask. Ten years ago I was different to the person I am today, and every cell in my body has regenerated so in essence I am a totally different person, Ego changes. The more I become enamoured with my beliefs the more ego hardens. The more open and responsive I am the ego becomes malleable. So just our outward personality, the thing we project to others as being us, and sometimes we believe it is us and covet it to the point of ignorance.

evergreen

Raymond

Ok Sam, I'd go along with most of that.

However, you make ego sound like something we're pretty much stuck with.
I have two questions to put to you based on your description;

How has the Dalai Lama (and others presumerably) managed to rid themselves of it?

And why do a lot of people see 'having an ego' as bad?

david hobbs

Samjaza

Raymond

So in answer to my question, when somebody says "Oh, he has a bit if an ego", why do you think that's always meant as a bad thing?

david hobbs

Samjaza

Raymond

You've actually hit the point I was trying to make Mr. Hobbs. Having self love and a strong belief in oneself is considered a no-no in our society and I think that's a shame.
I think that when a person is involved with the magickal arts however it actually pays to have an over-inflated ego.
What magick will work if you don't believe you can make it work?

david hobbs

meiah

evergreen

I would say most parents want their children to believe in themselves and have as much self confidence as they can .... why is then not okay for adults I would say most adults say they would like more confidence themselves

Raymond

david hobbs

Fire in the belly is essential.

And the outcome never in doubt or even considered that it won't work.

Have'nt done it for ages.

Not with conviction anyway.

meiah

Fire in the belly is different to ego

david hobbs

Raymond

Fire in the belly - I like that.

If I don't approach my magickal work knowing it's going to work I don't bother.
I don't understand when I hear Witches (so-called) and other dooers of magickal arts say things like "I did this spell and it didn't work..."

Granted there are times when I do work and I feel a bit iffy about it because I am unable to do it as I really would have liked (like when I did the thing for Swanny, I really would have preferred to go to her house instead of doing it at a distance) but hey, that's life.

I'm very cock-sure of myself when it comes to magick because I know it will work, I see that attitude as a neccessary component - others call me an egotistical bastard.

Not that I give a flying f*ck so long as my magick is working and theirs isn't.

david hobbs

OK so you need ego to work your stuff.

Why is that?

I don,t mean why are you so egotistical because we are all different and it really doesn't matter.

I literally mean why would you need a strong ego for your majik to work?

Raymond

Because if I had the slightest ounce of doubt it won't work.

I'm not saying all my magick works here, when I look back at work that has failed it has always been because I had doubt in my mind before I did it.

Doubt will kill all magick, stone dead.

meiah

Is ego the same as knowing then?

When I work, I know it will work. I don't feel like I know it will work because I made it work. Just that it will.

Raymond

meiah

Nah, to my mind, its not ego. Perhaps, like you say, it is their own doubts and uncertainties that get in the way of the knowing. You can't know what you don't know. If you see what I mean. huh?

Raymond

meiah

Or all smoke and mirrors but no substance

Why let it bother you then?

Raymond

Oh it doesn't, well- not much.

I do get a bit peeved when these pretend Witches start telling people they've hexed me and stuff.
They only tell people to create a sense of mystique about themselves anyway.
Like you say, smoke and mirrors.

meiah

Bless them.....literally

Raymond

I do better than that, I dare them to try and hex me.

I even gave this one pretend witch some nail clippings, a lock of hair and dared her to stop shooting her mouth off and hex me.

I don't know if she did or not but two years later her husband has done a bunk with her best friend and her daughter no longer wants anything to do with her.

You decide.

meiah

Oh dear. No really, bless her

david hobbs

Blighmey.

I thought I was the only one left who worked with hair and nail clippings.

Raymond

The old ways are always the best Mr. Hobbs.

david hobbs

They are indeed raymond.

Thing is I do get some funny looks when I ask people for a lock of their hair.

It may not truly be needed but I find it gives me a focus.

Raymond

I think it's essential. It helps create a psychic link with the person you're working for, especially if you're working dark magick.

david hobbs

Well we won't get on to that one again.

I find it interesting that some people prefer a photo and some a bit of once livivg tissue.

They both work so just how valid is it to stick to tradition.

If both work does it really mean that something else is at play here?

In fact do you need anything at all or are these things the witches comfort blanket?

Raymond

I'm just as happy with a photo as I am with a lock of hair.

If I personally know the person then I don't really need anything, so long as I can conjour up a rough image in my head along with a few mannerisms or personality traits then that's fine.

It's when I'm workng for a complete stranger I like to have some kind of link.

meiah

In healing, I often find that a name is enough. It is the first thing that people often use to identify themselves, and so that name carries their perception of who they are, as well as their history, their hopes and dreams, fears etc