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| david hobbs |
David Icke News letterI love him oh yes I do......The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday As Those Who Ridiculed His Warnings Are Being Forced By Events To Think Again China has been incubating for hundreds of years being prepared for its role as a key player in these times we are now experiencing. I was told by an insider many years ago to watch for the emergence of China as an economic and military power because then the action would really start. Well, here we are. China's 'economic miracle', based on slave labour that undercuts production costs across the world, has produced a mountain of money which has been used to buy foreign debt. It holds in excess of one trillion dollars worth of US Treasury bonds (debt) and debt of the US government mortgage lenders, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, recently saved from collapse by political intervention. But even this trillion dollars doesn't nearly tell the full story because it doesn't include Chinese investment in private US corporations and the use by the Chinese government of third parties to hide the extent of its holdings. Put it all together and China is gaining ever more control of the US economy and it can use this power to destroy what is left of the American financial system. If it sells its massive dollar holdings the value of the 'mighty dollar' will plummet and if its debt is not repaid it can claim American assets, yes government assets, just as a bank forecloses on your house if you don't make the payments. And the United States is now ten trillion dollars in debt with more being added by the minute. The 'superpower' is essentially bankrupt and at the mercy of its overseas creditors - not least China. Given that the plan is for a war involving North America, Europe, Russia and China this takes on even greater significance, as does the involvement in the trillion-dollar (open chequebook) 'bail out' of US Treasury Secretary Henry 'Hank' Paulson. |
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| david hobbs |
I just watched David giving a lecture on his website.
No prizes for guessing the subject matter. I am a fan. Actually that's a facile statement. I believe him. No actually. I agree with him. |
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| Bravo |
I once watched 11 hours of him in one day. There was a discussion going on about him and I felt I had to know the subject matter before I could comment.
Guy talks a lot of sense about a lot of things. Some of his stuff is madness though if I am honest. However it would be wrong to focus on that as a large part of his stuff is very intelligently and eloquently put across. |
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| Raymond |
Hitler spoke intelligently and eloquently, he was still crazier than a box of rabid frogs.
I had a dream the other night that I had really short hair on top and really long hair down the back. At first I panicked because I thought I was a lesbian but then I realised I was David Icke. Phew! |
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| david hobbs |
I must admit that he has said some barmey things.
Most of them are now coming true. Even if he is wrong about a lot of things he still shows graphically that we are being controlled more and more and that it seems is fact. I suppose that I have lived long enogh to see the changes and they are not good. Don't judge the medium, judge the message. Don't go to his site and watch his latest video if you a a scaredy cat. |
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| Raymond |
That was highly unlikely anyway. Mr. Icke is a very clever man. There have been many like him before and there will be many more to come. Some people have an eye for 'trends'. They can look at a situation and pretty accuratley judge how the whole thing is going to pan out long before everybody else does. This is a talent Mr. Icke seems to possess. I'm not a follower of his so I don't read his speeches or watch his videos but he appeals to a section of society who (and I'm desperately trying to keep a respectful tongue here) shall we say, look at life on an angle. I think for the vast majority of people (myself included) David Icke shot himself in the foot when he started banging on about the Royal Family being shape-shifting reptilians. That announcment really did buy him a one way ticket to la la land in most people's eyes. He will always be the ex-sports commentator, shell suit wearing, whack job with a Mullet. Granted, much of his bad press is undoubtedly created by those who would supress him and his ideas but he hasn't exactly done much by his words or deeds to prove them wrong has he? At the moment he still enjoys his platform while we live under a climate of fear. People are waiting to hear of the next big conspiracy or the next 'end-of-all-life-as-we-know-it' story, and while we're living under this fear people like Icke will be listened to by certain people. However, pretty soon that bubble will burst and people will realise that despite all the scary stories and conspiracy theories all they can really do is just try and make their own little lot the best they can. Within the next 10 years I fully expect to see Icke on I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here. |
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| Bravo |
I recommend watching some of his talks. Hitler, he aint. | ||||
| Raymond |
I didn't say he was like Hitler. I said he was a whack job - like Hitler. | ||||
| billy nomates |
if the royal family are shapeshifters why do they keep getting stuck with big ears and big noses???????
Icke is right about a lot of things.....when the prez of the usa and top figures all go to worship a stone owl then i think even raymond would have to admit that something isnt right. Maybe we are too trusting? Just because we have the net,colour tv and open heart surgery doesnt mean that human nature has evolved..... Throughout history there have been othesr that treat people with contempt,killing,raping,stealing,enslaving etc....... When you think like that it isn't much of a step to have NO regard for human life......it happened in our own back yard recently in yugoslavia.......++++++++++ anyway-i have seen dave turn into a lizard before....and an octopus after 8 lagers! |
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| david hobbs |
I think that it is easy to write something off in life and throw the baby out with the bath water.
If David Icke can see trends then surely he is not just worth listening too, but essential listening. It is of course foolish to believe all that you hear. It is also unwise to dissmiss something because it does not fit in with your reality model. The trick is to listen and research and then decide. |
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| Raymond |
Ok, I'm willing to be convinced. Mr. Hobbs, you said Icke has said things that have come true.
An example please... |
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| david hobbs |
Watch the movie and he will tell you one at a time.
It is on his website. |
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| Raymond |
I don't have time to watch video clips on websites. Is this a cop out Mr. Hobbs?
Just name one thing that Icke has said that has come true. Just one. You see, this is the thing that annoys me about you conspiracy theorists. You all go banging on about secret organisations running the world and world leaders involved in secret pacts with each other and worshipping stone owls and so on and so on.... But I put one question to you all that no conspiracy theorist I have have ever met can give me a satisfactory answer to..... SO WHAT??? |
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| david hobbs |
Ok one thing.
I saw him speak at a meeting about eighteen years ago and he claimed that the aim of the New World Order was to have a micro chipped population. Pets are now chipped, and so are some people. It doesn't take much to see which way things are going. He also coined a phrase known as Problem reaction solution and described precisely how we are led into wars. Take a look at the Iraq situation and you will find it to be a classic case. We were lied to (weapons of mass destruction) to bring out the reaction. Solution. Let's kick arse. OK I don't go along with all that he or anyone says but I do try to do a bit of homework on a subject if it interests me. It could be that he is correct or it could just be that he argues a good case. At any rate I shall still dip into his site from time to time to keep up to speed. I have found that the average reaction to the name David Icke is always "Oh dat nutter. This is always from people who have read a newspaper and never looked any further. If a person knows nothing why is it that they know everything. Take a look around and see if I am wrong. |
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| david hobbs |
And a little more
VeriChipping Of Alzheimer's Patients - just as David Icke predicted 'International consumer group CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering) will hold a march and prayer vigil this Saturday to protest a plan to inject VeriChip microchip implants into 200 Alzheimer's Community Care, Inc, patients. The interfaith event will be held outside of the Alzheimer's Community Care facility in West Palm Beach, Florida.' |
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| david hobbs |
And a little more
SACRAMENTO (AP) -- Forgot your company identification badge at home? That wouldn't be a problem if employees had a small identification device about the size of a grain of rice inserted under their skin instead of a badge. If that seems Orwellian to you, state Sen. Joe Simitian may have a solution. He's introduced a bill that would bar an employer or anyone else from requiring a person to have one of the devices implanted. The measure is one of a series of bills the Palo Alto Democrat has proposed to control the use of so-called radio frequency identification devices, which can be placed in badges, passports, driver's licenses and on bodies to transmit radio signals with identifying information. The Assembly Judiciary Committee is scheduled to consider four of the bills Tuesday. They also include measures that would bar use of RFIDs in driver's licenses and student identification badges before 2011 and set privacy-protection standards for RFIDs. A fifth bill by Sen. Ellen Corbett, D-San Leandro, is also on the committee's agenda. It would require companies that issue identification cards or other items containing RFIDs to disclose the personal information that would be revealed by the RFID and what steps they've taken to protect that information. Simitian says he is concerned the information provided by RFIDs could be used to track people's movements or to steal their personal information with the use of an inexpensive monitor. "When people understand the vulnerability of the technology and the absolute lack of any privacy protections or limits on information that can be broadcast, they understand why it's a legitimate source of concern," he said. The use of implanted RFIDs makes "you think we really are in a world we never could have imagined," he said. But Roxanne Gould, vice president for California government relations for the American Electronics Association, a high-tech industry group, said Simitian is taking the wrong approach, although her organization hasn't taken a position on the implant bill. "Our bottom line is we're opposed to anything that demonizes RFIDs," she said. "The technology has been in existence for more than 50 years. It's in more than 1.2 billion ID credentials worldwide. ... We've not seen a single showing of ID theft or harm." Lawmakers should focus on preventing inappropriate use of RFIDs, not in restricting the technology, she said. Scott Silverman, chief executive officer of VeriChip Corp., a Florida company that makes implantable RFIDs, said his firm has a "very strong privacy policy" and doesn't oppose bills like the Simitian measure banning forced use of the devices. "In principle, a device of this type should never be forced on anybody," he said. Two other states, Wisconsin and North Dakota, have enacted similar bans. Most of VeriChip's devices are implanted to identify medical patients, but the company has also made implantable RFIDs for security uses. Mexico's attorney general bought about 100 of them through a distributor a few years ago, Silverman said. It would take a larger device, about the size of a pacemaker, to track a person's movements by satellite, he said. Some of the other bills on lawmakers' agendas this week include |
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| david hobbs |
The chip moves on ... VeriChip Goes Direct
'Delray Beach, Fla.-based VeriChip Corp. plans to market its VeriMed implantable chips and Patient Registry service directly to consumers. The vendor's new Patient First program will enable patients to be implanted with its VeriChip microchip for free and pay a $9.95 monthly fee for a subscription to its Patient Registry service. The Patient Registry is a component of VeriChip's Patient Identification System, which enables patients to be implanted with a microchip that's linked to their medical information.' (Just as David Icke predicted in his books 13 years ago) |
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| Raymond |
Again, I ask, so what?
As far as I can see there is one massive threat to this country and it's people. One threat that is sucking us dry, taking away our rights and freedoms, destroying our identity and literally taking money out of all of our pockets on a daily basis. It isn't a secret 'new world order'. It isn't hidden in the shadows or behind a veil of whispers. It isn't aliens trying to brainwash us or reptilians treating us like sheep. It's open, transparent and everything it does to destroy this country is availiable for anybody with access to the internet to find out about quite easily. I'm talking, of course about the European Union. It's the single biggest threat to this country's way of life in over a thousand years of our history. A bigger threat than the Normans, the Romans - even the Nazis. If you conspiricacy theorists spent a fraction of your time finding out what really goes on in Brussels you wouldn't have to immerse yourself in make believe scary stories. The EU is scary enough on it's own. |
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| david hobbs |
And if you witches read Mr Icke you would see that he said what you just said but a lot lot sooner than you did.
Wake up Raymond he has already done the EU stuff and moved on. We all know that the EU is a threat but he pointed it out, I won't say first, but a long time ago. Take a look at what he says about the new geography of the world and you will learn even more than just local EU stuff. This is happening globally. |
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| billy nomates |
er raymond.the EU was started by ex nazis.......look it up!
just wait until the government runs everything,cash is dispensed with and you HAVE to have an ID chip to go anywhere or do anything........ when the kids are all 'chipped' ...to save them from harm of course...then the world will be a lovely place......... all looked after by nice people like blair,brown,campbell,lady mandelson,bush,cheney,rove,sarkozy etc....... being a witch will probably be considered a terrorist offence and you will be taken to guantanamo bay...... at that stage i dare you to say 'so what'........ 'so what'.are you ed balls in disguise? |
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| Raymond |
No disrespect Billy but you sound like a whacko mate, and there in lies the problem.
If these conspiracy theories were true then why do they always seem to attract weirdos? Never 'normal' people. It's a belief system mate. Something to believe in that can never be proven or disproven. Bit like religion. |
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| david hobbs |
Bit like witchcraft and majik. Take a look in the mirror Raymond. After me your second in the whacko line 
Never judge the medium, judge the message. Like Billy says just take a very small while and look at the history. |
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| Raymond |
Hey, I never said I wasn't a whacko, in fact I'm very proud to be a looney tunes.
At least witchcraft can be proven to work. Maybe you could prove these theories by getting Her Majesty to show us her reptilian face. Good luck with that then. |
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| Raymond |
My point exactly. What did he do? He 'pointed it out and moved on'. What is he DOING to combat all these threats we (supposedly) live under? NOTHING! If he were a man of action I may just have a little more time for him. If he organised rallies or demonstrations to highlight his arguments I may just pay the man some attention. Say what you will about The Father's For Justice League, or the Pro-Hunting Lobby or even the Stop The War Coalition, at least they're out there fighting for thier causes and making themselves heard. What's David Icke doing? Oh yeah, he makes videos for a website nobody can even be bothered to look at. I bet the Illuminati are quaking in their boots. |
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| Bravo |
He is educating
The fact that most people have even heard of the Illuminati is largely down to him. I must admit, Raymond I took exactly the same stance you are taking right now. I thought to myself 'are people really taking this looney tunes seriously?' I started to wonder why they were taking him seriously, and this is when I decided to watch something of his on YouTube. It was quite interesting, so I watched something else, and ended up watching 11 hours worth in the one day. I'm not saying that is what you should do, your time is your own to do as you will 
All I am saying is maybe give him a little benefit of the doubt and view some of the stuff with open eyes. If you don't thats fine too, I just think you'd be better for it in the long run. |
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| billy nomates |
raymond-wacko?
open your eyes!!!!!!!! people are being chipped in the u.s. many of the kids are on ritalin. our government of weirdos want to monitor our each and every move. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-emails-EVERY-person-Britain.html we already have 5million people registered on a dna database.... +++++++++++++++++++++ david icke cannot beat 'the system' on his own.......... personally i am going for a walk on nov 5th.you can join me if you like... |
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| Raymond |
This thread is going round and round and quite frankly it's getting a little boring.
So my final word is so long as have a roof over my head and food in my belly the reptilian leaders of the world can do whatever the hell they like. Once I start to notice that they're interfering in my life then maybe I'll sign up to your side of the fence. Right now, as I said, the only threat I can see to the way I want to live my life comes purely from Brussels. So I will continue with my little anti-EU groups and hope one day we have the good sense to get out of it. |
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| david hobbs |
Raymonds gone indoors, and won't be playing out with you lads in this
thread because it looks like it's started to rain and he might get wet. 
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| Raymond |
No that's not the case at all Mr. Hobbs and well you know it.
You know how I feel about pointless arguments that go on and on with no end in sight. My attitude towards conspiracy theories is exactly the same as my attitude towards the paranormal and any other belief system. I have to see enough solid proof of it to warrant my belief, and quite frankly a few spotty geeks in need of a good shag, winding each other up on dubious websites presenting the flimsiest of "evidence" just doesn't cut the mustard. I really don't mean to attack your belief system Mr. Hobbs (well, ok. Maybe a little bit) but however much I enjoy good debate I detest pointless arguing. This thread slipped from good debate to pointless arguing a while ago and for that reason alone I choose to withdraw. |
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| billy nomates |
oi raymond! you said you weren'y going to say any more!!!!!!!
your life is interfered with from the day you are born!!!!!! forced to go to school..reading other people beliefs..... forced to have vaccinations. forced to undergo tests that may result in being classed as intelligent or stupid..........either way that may result in your life being ruined.... forced to pay tax,council tax and NI. spied on by cctv. Dictated to by local councillors all earng nice salries........ then 'invest' your money in Iceland. forced to pay exhorbitant fuel bills........i could go on all night..... +++++++++++++++++ you seem to think that everything is down to the nazis at the EU. i suggest that you start looking at the traitors in these islands . 
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| evergreen |
holy crud what a great threat guys... | ||||
| Raymond |
Was that meant to be THREAD, EG? lol 
Although Mr. Hobbs and his gang would much prefer to leave it as 'threat', I'm sure. |
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| evergreen |
wow what a Freudian
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| Sia |
I wouldn't say I love him, then again I love totally eccentric people, I think hes writing about is rubbish, but just opinion , maybe he is right.
Gut feeling thought its a load of rubbish, but what do i know and any of us , so much going in the world that we haven't got a clue about, we can only form our opinions |
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| billy nomates |
raymond-since you said you wouldn't post any more on this 'threat' (funny) you have replied twice!!!!!!!
So here is something that will affect you..our nasty little shits in govt. want to invade the net. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/sep/26/digitalmedia.internet so will this affect you? will you be able to put any words like bumb,trrrists,bent,himosexual,fredom ,bleck,mulsim, on the net without being classified as a mass murderer? (deliberate spellings because the govt computers will highlight me as a menace). |
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| Raymond |
Let them do it.
I think I've mentioned on here once before, I've been investigated by the CIA before now over a late night phone call to the US Embassy in London. I think I've just written enough words to get the old computers buzzing. I'll probably have the front door kicked in soon. Well, it was nice knowing you all. |
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| billy nomates |
just be careful with your back door!
      
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| Raymond |
Oh now, Mr. Nomates,
You really don't want me to start on that one. |
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| evergreen |
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