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| Tommy |
Dad at 13?Or have the media been hoodwinked? |
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| GenieDi |
I doubted this story from the beginning, will be interesting to see what the DNA results are. I think its a scam to make a lot of money. | ||||||
| Tommy |
My guess is that the girl is covering up for the real father to stop him being charged with a sex offence. The boy is most likely an unwilling pawn in the game, he looks very unhappy in the photo. | ||||||
| Raymond |
I think this another Shannon Matthews - type story.
Poorly educated, common people sitting around smoking their cheap fags and drinking cheap lager thinking they've come up with a brilliant way to top up their benefits. If it is a true story then it's an absolute disgrace. All the children involved should be put into care and the parents charged and banged up. F*cking peasants. Get a job! |
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| Tommy |
Get a what? M&S lay off 2700, Woolworth's lay off ten times that, Corus lay off a huge number I can't remember, Royal Mail lay off another huge number just after announcing a huge profit... Unemployement is passing 2 million, heading for 3 million, and you criticise people who look for a shortcut to some easy cash? Tut tut Raymond, honestly... I know where you're coming from on this one, I know the taxpayers are paying these people to carry out their fiendish plots, but if the employment market was a bit more stable we wouldn't have these situations. |
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| Raymond |
You say that, but every time I open a paper or walk past my local job cantre I see jobs advertised.
Every time I go to my local, Asda, Somerfield or Tesco I see jobs on the board. If these people got off thier lazy fat arses and put the same amount of effort into looking for a job as they do dreaming up ways of getting free money they might just actually be in employment. I personally know people who would rather be on the dole than "lower" themselves to work in a supermarket or a McDonald's. These people deserve to starve. |
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| Kas |
Update
Alfie Patten the 13 year old Dad has already joined 'Father's for Justice'. In an interview he said "It makes sense really as I already have a spiderman outfit". 
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| Tommy |
OK, Asda, Somerfield, Tesco... three supermarkets, let's say an average of six jobs per shop, that's about 18 jobs. And how many unemployed people live within cheap easy commuting distance of these shops? It's a question of scale. Fill all 18 vacancies and sure enough another big nationwide retailer / manufacturer will go bust, releasing another 23000 people onto the job market. And employers always favour people who already have jobs... spot the catch 22. I've been in that situation. I was on the dole for over 4 years. OK during 50% of that time I was studying for my A+ and Network+, state-funded courses in building and maintaining computers and networks... a useful course which I enjoyed... but despite months of effort I was unable to get a job in IT... because I was unemployed and had not had experience working in that sector. I was finding out how difficult it was to get a decent career after studying hard for two years. So, take the cast of Shameless and send them to get a job in Asda and what result do you expect? It's almost as bad as the Thatcher years... |
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| Raymond |
Yes, well, this current Labour government need kicking out just like the Tories did back in the 90's.
There will always be unemployed people. We will never be in a situation where everybody is employed, but I do think there are far too many people who see certain jobs as beneath them. When my Dad was doing his knowledge he had 3 jobs. In a shop during the day, cleaning at night and decorating for people in between. He did that for 3 years. Now he's a black cab driver and earning a nice living, and he deserves it. Too many people think the state has an obligation to keep them and these people are dragging all of us down. They need to understand, no work = no money. Work or starve. Simple really. |
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| Tommy |
OK your Dad has done well, and he's now in the right job. However, it's a common experience to be in the wrong job out of necessity. I have IT qualifications, and I see stacking shelves in a supermarket as beneath me, but I'd rather do that than not have a job. And I offer myself for overtime shifts because the money can be good. However, you say "no work = no money" and you also say "there will always be unemployed people". I could not reconcile these two conditions. Firstly if there have been mass redundancies you can't just condemn those people to starve. People have to look for jobs, and the jobs have to be there for them to do. The challenge for any government is setting up an employment and benefit system whereby they are able to make a distinction between the blameless and the shameless. By the way I drove taxis on and off for 11 years, and up here that is rock bottom...  
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| david hobbs |
Driving Taxi's is rock bottom?
They were the most interesting work years of my life. I loved the scumbags and the nice people and the vllians and the booze and the night clubs(free of course) and the women. I met gangsters and spiritualist healers and all walks of life. Whewww. Pleased I'm to old for that game now though 
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| Raymond |
I can see I didn't make myself clear on that. Of course there needs to be an unemployment system in place for people made redundant, also for people who cannot work because of sickness, I'm talking about the people who see the benefits system as a career choice. People who stay on the dole year after year after year. I know of a young man, in his early 20's and he's been on benefit since he was old enough to claim it. Never had a job, never done a day's work in his life and he's quite open about the fact that he doesn't have a job because he doesn't want one. No other reason, just doesn't want to work. I'm sure even you Tommy would agree that's just plain wrong. |
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| Tommy |
Up here driving taxis is all about putting boring people in suits to the Airport, putting housewives home from the shops with screaming kids and fifteen bags of shopping, and at night you get to drive drunks home from the pub. Riveting stuff. At the peak I was making £2 an hour. The worst shift was one where I did six hours work for 50p. And that's genuine. 50p! |
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| Raymond |
In my experience these people rarely live on benefit money alone. There's ususlly some other supplimental income. Normally it involves drugs.
I can appreciate being a taxi driver in small areas could be quite tedious. My Dad works in London (obviously) and some of the stories he tells me would make your eyes water. And the famous people who have ridden in his cab - you wouldn't believe it! |
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| Lilly |
Tommy says;''And how many unemployed people live within cheap easy commuting distance of these shops? ''
What's wrong with the commuting method I used when I was their age, 'shank's pony'. I worked in an hotel five years ago,two miles away.Most days I walked to work in the summer,and always on Sundays as there where no buses. |
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| Lilly |
And owning dogs,which they get extra income for! |
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| swanlady |
Theres jobs out there if people get off their arses and look.
But people are so fussy these days about what type of job they have. At one stage when my Trystan was young. to survive, I had three part time jobs as well as Mike working full time. And we still struggled, but we made it with a lot of hard graft from both of us. And i was,nt fussy what type of job as long as there was a wage at the end of it. I was a dinner lady for the local school for an hour every school day. Then at 4pm, i would be at the local comp school to do cleaning untill 6pm. I would get home for a quick cuppa then off to the bingo hall untill 10pm. Trystan was 8 at the time. Then when Trystan was 12, i worked at the local hospital as a domestic or cleaner on the wards. At the same time i was in college doing my access to nursing. I was about to go on to my project 2000 for nursing,when i had IVF treatment and got pregnant for the twins. I had to give up everything as i was a high risk pregnancy. By that time, we were more secure financially and it was nice to stay home and rest. But like i said. There are jobs out there if people look. Just don,t be so bloody fussy about what type of job it is. My brother Lyndon was a road sweeper for the council when he was young and on excellent wages. then he went on to work in the Abatoir. |
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| swanlady |
It was on the news last night that the mother of the boy is being taken to court for not making sure her son attends school. Apparently he is always truanting and never in school. | ||||||
| david hobbs |
Sperm has no regard for age.
There are millions of people in this country so why the big surprise and moral posturing when a young boy fathers a child. When we were young we could have all slipped up if the circumstances allowed. Instead of a do it yourself job this guy tried the real thing. Yes we will have to keep the child but it will make a change from paying for lazy gits. It may have happened to you if you could have found a willing partner. |
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| Lilly |
It happens often enough in Africa and India. |
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| david hobbs |
Yes and I'm just annoyed that I missed out. | ||||||
| Lilly |
Never mind,David, put in a request for your next incarnation to come back as a rabbit
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| david hobbs |
I know this sounds odd but if you take the jugement away from this case
it is a penis and a vigina and that's all it is. How very natural. What could be more natural. The rest is human invention. |
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| Lilly |
Very true,its like the fact that if you scratch your face,arm,leg etc. in the street...thats o.k. but scratch your groin or posterior and you'll get arrested...how stupid! |
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| evergreen |
David some kind of sensibility at last !! there are many case of 13 year old girls have children why the horror at this boy... yes he is just a kid himself.... so are girls at 13 |
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| Lilly |
And here's another!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090...gives-birth-to-twins-6323e80.html |
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| david hobbs |
It makes a change from all the desparate over forties now having a go at getting pregnant late in life because their earlier life was about work wine bars and a flash car. | ||||||