Curses

david hobbs · Curses

I know that spells and curses can be very potent and unless I have witnessed the longest run of coincidences ever witnessed by man the results are very real.

Thing is why and how do they work.

Or you may be of the opinion that they don't.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

This question is prompted by someone approaching me asking for help as they felt that a curse had been laid on them.

Raymond

Ahhh, welcome to my world.

Curses most certainly do work and usually a lot stronger and longer than most positive spells because as human beings we find it so much easier to hate other people than love them.

The spells I do, positive and negative alike, create an energy around the subject I'm working on.

For example, a friend of mine is going for his third driving test next month. He asked me if there was a spell to help him pass his test. I asked what the problem was when he gets in the car and he told me that he just panics and his mind goes blank.
Now, for the panic I have taught him how to meditate and use mantras, for the blankness of mind I will do a spell to help him focus and concentrate on the information he will need to pass the exam.

I will create an energy around him of confidence and positivity and as like attracts like he will continue to attract more and more confidence as the test progresses.

Now, the same theory works with cursing and hexing. You create an energy around a person that is a negative one.
It could be they lose their friends, or their job, or constantly have accidents or lose money.
So long as you keep that energy around them they will attract more and more of similar energy and so the curse will continue.

Think of it like rubbing a magnet on a piece of metal. Eventually that metal will become a magnet itself.

wackyjacky

I don't believe in curses.

As for your friend who is going for his 3rd driving test Raymond, when I did my driving test I read that yellow clears the mind... I was really nervous.... I wore a yellow t-shirt and I passed...it didn't stop my tongue sticking t6o the top of my mouth though. Of course it could all be coincidence.

Raymond

Interesting. Why don't you believe in curses Jacky?

wackyjacky

No sure really Raymond. Where I used to live up North you would get the odd Gypsy camp and you would sometimes get one or 2 going around with their bit of heather to hand out then asking if you want your fortune told, if you said no, they would often 'try' to put a curse on you. I just never paid it any mind as I thought it was their way of trying to frighten you, if you know what I mean?! Since then, I've never thought of curses as being in any way able to harm me and touch wood, I don't think any have.

Raymond

Ah right, well let me begin by saying that there very few (if any) genuine Gypsies left in the UK.
True Gypsies would never wreck the land, leave a mountain of rubbish and disprupt the lives of their house-dwelling neighbours like these modern day pykies do.
True Gypsies would never sponge the benefit system either.

I know people who are of true Gypsy stock however they gave up the caravans long ago and now live in houses, they still practice the old gypsy ways but can one be a true gypsy in a house? I dunno.

As for curses, let me tell you they are very real. I'm not trying to put a frightener on you with this but curses come in many forms.

These people trying to flog you bits of dead heather can probably no more curse you than your next door neighbours' budgie can - so I wouldn't worry about that.

You've probably never upset anyone who knows about the darker arts enough to warrant you being cursed, so that's a good thing.

wackyjacky

Thats alright then.

Question for you Raymond... Would it take for you to believe in a curse for it to cause you any trouble/harm? If you knew it had been put into motion against you that is...

or don't you have to believe in tham at all for them to harm you?

Raymond

Yes it does help if they believe. I have met many people who are 100% convinced they are cursed and it turns out to be nothing of the sort, well not in the true sense of the meaning away.

Just as you can convince a person they are stupid, ugly or worthless you can also convince them they are cursed.

I had an argument with a friend about three years ago. Silly nonsense really, wasn't even worth the energy we had both put into it.
Anyway we stopped talking because of this argument and about a year later she phoned me up at 4 in the morning screaming down the phone that she couldn't take it anymore and I had to stop it.
She had convinced herself that I had cursed her. Apparently since the argument she was plagued by sleeplessness, loss of appitite, tiredness and was irritable all the time.
As a result she had split from her fiance and was no longer talking to her Mum.
I promise you I hadn't done a thing to her. She automatically assumed that because I was a Witch and because she had upset I was going to unleash allsorts on her.
In a way she was cursed, she had cursed herself.

Anyway, I calmed her down and a few days later I performed a hex-breaking spell for her, because that was the only way she was going to believe she was no longer cursed.

I decided not to renew our friendship because any 'friend' who thinks I would do that to them just because of a silly tiff obviously wasn't much of a friend in the first place.

Getting back to your question Jacky, yes curses can and do work on people who don't believe in them.
They can work very, very well actually because the person who laid the curse will watch events unfold while the person who has been cursed remains blissfully unaware.

wackyjacky

I understand what you mean Raymond, about your friend, I'm not sure I'd renew the friendship either after that! Thanks for sharing that.

Also, thanks for the feedback on curses too, very informative, not something to be sniffed at?! I suppose its all down to our intent in the end eh?! Be careful what you wish for and all that!!!

Thanks again Raymond

Samjaza

Give an effigy of empathy the charms of poison and the person will ill.

simple.

But... if the focus of intent is innocent... justice prevails, the judge becomes the guilty.

Raymond

Very, very wise words.

That is why you should never perform any kind of magickal working in haste, especially darker magick.

Hex in haste, repent at leisure.

david hobbs

In simple tems, what goes around comes around and never a truer word was spoken in the occult.

Raymond

david hobbs

Raymond

When I think of Karma I think of the 'new-age' version of it. All this "whatever you do will come back times three" - CRAP!!!

We are bound by the laws of nature. Simple as that. You reap what you sow.

If you go around being grumpy and miserable then that will reflect back from others.
If you go around deliberately upsetting and hurting people that will also reflect back.
It's really very simple when you think about it.

evergreen

the law of attraction...

put yourself down others will put you down....

david hobbs

Say "I can't", and you will not.

Raymond

Say "I can", and you still won't be able to!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

david hobbs

He's in one of those moods today.

Deb's

I'm sorry, I have not read all the posts... I read some and thought well, what a load of toffee... am sorry, just my opinion of course...

Now Raymond... I don't want a falling out with you or heavens forbid you put a curse on me... ha ha.. but, how can you say that it's easier to hate someone than love someone? That may be true for you but it certainly is not for me...

I don't believe in curses... it's all about belief.. you say that a friend of yours 'believed' that you had cursed her and things happened to her. Then you say that people that don't believe in curses are unaware of the bad things happening to them when the curser sits back and watches... something like that... well, that makes no sense at all to me... Surely that means that the curse has not effected the non believer...

Thats as far as I read.... Why on earth would anyone want to curse anyone in a bad way anyway? To get back at them for something? And does that justify the means?

I agree that negative energy will attract negativity and vice versa. So if I am full of positive, happy, energy and am filled with love... could you curse break that barrier in you opinion?

Respecting your beliefs.... but not believing them,

Much love & light,

Raymond

It is true that to curse someone who is full of 'love and light and happiness' is more difficult than cursing a miserable old sod - but not impossible.

If you don't hate (or dislike) people Debs then I say good for you, but I will also say you are certainly in a minority there.

I'm not here to try and influence or change anyone's beleifs or opinions, and living in the light obviously suits you Debs and brings you a lot of happiness and reward.
Wether or not you believe in curses is neither here nor there but just remember this, not everyone loves in the light as you do - in fact some people deliberatly live in the darkness, and I know that will be difficult for you to comphrehend but that's just the way it is.

Blanket denial of a thing doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Learn of these things Debs if only to protect yourself if ever they should come your way.

Deb's

Thank you Raymond, I do understand what you are saying. I'm not so daft that I don't know evil exists, I just have no room for it.

It is true that I do not hate anything or anyone... beware of the conception of the word hate, it is restrictive, it narrows down perception. You will find more and more to hate and bring the hatred elements into your own experience. I'm not saying I don't dislike anything of course I do. But there is a big difference between hate and dislike.

Think on this.... a genertation that hates war will not bring peace but a generation that loves peace will bring peace.... Just think about that statement.... makes perfect sense to me.

Namaste my friend,

Raymond

Deb's

I'm sorry I frustrate you Raymond and I do understand what you are saying. Many people believe the same. But why? Why can't we have good without bad? I understand to appreciate good we need to experience bad, but I also believe that a belief in good without evil is highly realistic.

Ups and downs are neat terms applied to space which knows no such direction.

love & light,

laura

Deb's

I'm not saying there is no opposite, I am saying you don't have to live it. We make our own reality. I am not saying it do not exist, I am saying it does not exist in my life.... lets take god and the devil for example, for me the devil simply do not exist.

love & light,

Raymond

meiah

To me, Good and Bad are judgements. It does not make them so.
What you define as good and bad depend on the parameters you are using to judge them, which in turn are formed from what you "know", what you have been told or have learned, and from that, what you beleive to be true.

meiah

Back to curses, I used to think it was all hogwash, but having applied it to my way o thinking, of course it is not, and of course you can curse someone without them being aware of it.

I do think it still comes down to choice though. Just as you cannot heal someone against their wishes, neither can you curse someone if they do not allow you to. Most people are just not that aware of their own state of being, and prefer to expernalise rather than take responsibility.

(Thanks, I needed to remember that. I do spend a lot of time telling myself what I need to knwo when I apparently write bunkum

)

Deb's

meiah

david hobbs

billy nomates

as for curses.i think they work........also .i think some people have such strong negative energy that they can affect people without even knowing it.

as for good and bad i do not think we need both.....it is just that people (in general) are sooooo addicted to the game of life,ie got to be rich,powerful,big house big car etc. that they will do almost anything to 'achieve' these things.............because they think this is what life is all about.ie look at me in my car.i am considerably richer than you........etc

it is very easy to swing to the negative side and stay there.......

imho the reason we do not live in a world where peace and harmony rule is that the people in power are still stuck in some medieval time warp where they have to dominate ..(usually to make up for their own inadequacies).........

it is a battle of wills................at the moment the WILL does not exist to try the other path.................worked for gandhi though.....

Deb's

Thank you Mr Hobbs.

Meiah, we perceive what we want.... Good point about not seeing the whole. I know evil exists, but there is nothing evil in my life. There is plenty of it out there.

I still believe we are in control, we make our own reality... so going back to the subject of curses what I am saying is if you believe that curses don't work... and I mean really believe, then they will not exist for you.

I still don't believe in them.... I have many wiccan friends and they disagree with me too, but hey thats cool.... each to their own beliefs.

love & light,

Raymond

It sounds liek you have a very black or white view of life Debs. The first thing you have to do is stop thinking of things in simplistic terms such as 'good' and 'evil'.
What is evil anyway?

I'm sure if I spent long enough in your company I could find plenty of 'evil', as you put it.
The waste you throw away adding to the landfill sites, the washing up liquid and detergents you use very likely pollute local rivers and streams, the lights you leave on that add to your carbon footprint - are all these things evil? Many would say they are.

Of course you have evil in your life Debs because without it you would have no good either. ONE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER.

Find your shadow and embrace it, for you can never be rid of it.

Deb's

The innerself however realizes that in much larger terms that evil is simlpy ignorance, so maybe your right.

namaste my friend,

david hobbs

Deb's

Hi Mr Hobbs,

I don't see us as all mind. I think I've mentioned this to you before. I see our spirit contains a mind and a soul. The mind is for thoughts and thinking and the soul for emotions and feelings.

As there being no evil in my life maybe we should first define evil. If you mean me having a cold, or my son breaking a bone, is that evil? What exactly is evil in your eyes?

love & light,

david hobbs

Deb's

Exactly it's how we perceive things. We are all unique and so are our perceptions. I don't think I've met anyone evil. I have met sick people that have committed evil acts.

I know I annoy people with my philosophy of life, but it works for me, I like who I am.... no correction I love who I am.

love & light,

Raymond

OK, so finally we're whittling this down, you say you have met people who have performed evil acts.

What's an evil act? In your opinion?

Deb's

I was sexually abused as a child.... in my opinion that is an evil act. The question is, was this person evil or sick?

love & light,

Raymond

No idea, never met them, but you have to ask yourself - why do you consider it evil?
Maybe this person was abused as a child and his only way of expressing that pain is to abuse another.
Maybe he was downtrodden all his life and his only way of feeling in control was to force himself sexually on another person.
Maybe it was a dare....

Maybe, maybe, maybe,...

Who knows why people do these things.

But think on this, maybe,... and this is the real cruncher,... maybe, without that experience, YOU wouldn't be the person you are today.
Maybe without that experience you would have ended up a completely different person.
Maybe without that experience you wouldn't have ended up with all the 'love and light' you seem to so fondly cherish.

Does it still make it an evil act?

Deb's

Lots of maybe's there raymond.

I have no regrets... It is true I would not be the person that I am today without everything that I have experienced. I still believe everything for a reason.

I know the person was not evil he was my brother, but being as It happened from a young age of around 3 or 4, he had to be sick didn't he? I mean how can someone get sexually aroused by a child so young? He went on to abuse his own children and was jailed.

Was the act evil? I do think it's an evil thing to do, it has to be worse than 'not nice'. What would you call it? I suppose because I think he was 'sick' could mean it was a 'sick' act, not making it evil at all.

Evil is as evil does, but then evil is ignorance.

love & light,

billy nomates

back to curses etc ........sometimes- in fact very often i think i am cursed!

i went for a reading about 12 years ago(my first one)
the reader told me quite a few things that were/became true.....
however after a while she became agitated and threw me out saying that i was 'surrounded by lots of bad things and energy'.

quite what that meant i dont know........

anyway.....i have been struggling to get a project off the ground for a long time......i have faced so many hurdles that most people would have given up by now........i sat down to work tonight and bango!
my pc wouldnt work!!!!i figured it out and after3 hours i have it working again.another evening wasted!!!!!this kind of thing happens ALL the time.........events pull me away from my project with ridiculous frrquency.........

on top of this i have some people in my life who are exceptionally negative...they only have to say a few words to me and i get really angry.....when i see them or even speak to them on the blower i get really stressed and feel drained........it is as if they are emotional vampires sucking the life from me.............

i have tried to approach the situation in meditation but with no results.........

so amigos ....could i be cursed? i know it sounds daft but everything always goes tits for me and what about the vampires?
one of them i seriously think is deranged and so seems to have an incredibly strong effect.i doubt they even know it.........

evergreen

Hi Billy

Firstly you dont' have loads of negative energy at all. Sometimes peopel can feel negative when they are down or have others around them that are struggling and it effects them.. if you think someone is sucking you dry take control of that dont 'allow them to drain you.

I dont' think it is a curse I think you are effected by them because you are effected by their words somehow they mean something to you and you take it onboard and allow it to affect you.. in the end I think it is something you are responsible for.

It might serve you better to not listen to them in the first place and if that can't be avoided try to believe in yourself that no matter what they say or think you dont' need to take it onboard and upset your own personal agenda that is their wstory not yours...... listen but dont' react.. be open but don't lay own, ... don't be judgemental be accepting of their story- which is different to taking it on yourself

If it was me I'd ask myself why it agitates me so much.. is the project I am working on not right for me at this time is it taking me away from what I really want to do.. should I be attempting to slow down and not push ahead in this area.. if not then keep going the hard work will pay off... as far as the megative people in your life are concerned- we are all in charge of who we "keep" in our lives after all we each have our personal set of boundaries.. how good are your boundaries? if others upset you then I would suggest that your boundaries are perhaps not where you need them to be..

Everything is about the self sometimes it shows us things to work on other times it shows us how much we have changed and what we no longer bring into our world AND every now and then we are smacked and smacked continually untill we wake up and make the changes that best suite our needs

peace
Madeline

billy nomates

hi madeline........

the project is my music.........

i have faced every hurdle possible.........
ie being unable to find musicians.unable to find singing teachers,my computers always breaking down.band mates being complete wankers .....

the 2 people are my parents!they drive me ...........nuts!
it is really hard to explain but i seriously think my mother is mad.......
always has been.she is very domineering.shouts,screams etc and yet she believes she is the kindest person in the world!

i hate going to their house yet they continually pester me to do jobs for them which they conveniently forget......all of these jobs have to be done immediately.if i dont jump thenthey get in a bad mood .....
and an argument starts............i am 48 years old yet they seem to think i am some ......^^&$^$$&%*^ slave..........

every time i go to their home an argument starts...they fight between themselves like cat and dog..........she blames him ALL the time but this is untrue.......i have never met another person like her and i have often wondered with all the crap i have endured over the last few years whether i would keep my own sanity.

she sad that she is always giving me money but this is also untrue.my dad has some really strange ideas about money and i think he wants to take it with him when he dies!

they are currently in a battle with some neighbours and i have supported them ALL the way-even goingto solicitors and court -yet this again is all weirdly forgotten.when i leave their place i feel like i want to kick the crap out of something.........

bad energy.oh yes i think it really exists Big Grin

ps obviously i dont like being told what to do! who does!

i can be very headstrong (taurian

)and focused and believe in my own abilities and ideas...
not in a nasty or smug way.but if i dont believe in myself then who will?

i was a bond trader in london a long time ago and to do that job needs ultimate self belief......its not arrogance but after years of working as a junior and taking exams i had to believe in my own judgement otherwise i would have been too scared to actually trade......

the world is full of experts who will tell us that we are wrong........it even happened to Einstein!
colonel sanders was a man in his sixties who had a recipe for chicken.over 1000 people turned him down......and now there are thousands of kentucky chicken outlets all over the world.......

so i think it is actually a good thing to have self belief and courage........
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
thats a long rant!!!!!!!

Raymond

Billy, I don't think you're cursed either. Very few curses go on that long and even the ones that do don't normally manifest in things like computers breaking down, etc.

Try to stop thinking along the lines of 'bad things always happen to me' because just by thinking that you will attract bad things.
I really don't want to sound like one of those cheap self-help books from the 90's but you are a product of your actions.

If you act in a negative way then negativity will be attracted to you. Forget all this bullsh*t about Karma, it's a load of new age, wishy washy claptrap.

Begin acting in a positive way and slowly positivity will find it's way to you.
Think of all the things you do, think and say that might be negative and turn them into a positive.
Don't say things like "Oh this always happens to me" or "Oh that's just my luck", when things go wrong just learn the mistake and try again, only this time identify all the negatives and turn them around.

It's true that people can carry around a lot of energy build up with them just like places and buildings can and if this becomes a problem then that energy needs to be released.
You can do this yourself but if the problem is really bad then I suggest you find a local Witch and ask them to do it for you and they will also probably teach you how to do it yourself afterwards.

If you post a pic of yourself then I will do what I can from this end but I do recommend seeing a Witch in the flesh, as it were.