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Crop circles

We couldn't very well ignore the mysterious 'crop cirlces' phenomenon in a section such as this could we?

Crop Circles - formations, usually found in grain crops, where the crop has been mysteriously found laid flat, in patterns, that did not exist in daylight the previous day.

Although thought by many to be a phenomena of the 20th Century, crop circles and formations have been around for a very long time, and records even date back well before the invention of the camera.

The most well known positive depiction of a crop circle is found in a woodcut made in 1678 with the title 'Strange News out of Hartford-shire’.
It depicts a devil-like creature cutting out a pattern in a crop with a scythe.
The woodcut has text, which told of a greedy farmer, who, having refused to pay a mower a reasonable rate for reaping his oats, swore that he would rather have the Devil do the work. The very following morning, the farmer awoke to find his crop had been harvested, but done so in such an amazing manner, with rounded circles of incredible exactness that no human could have done the same within the period and darkness of one night. The farmer was so afraid that he could not enter the field to collect his harvest.

The recorded incidence of crop circles in more modern times seems to have started in the early 20th century, with a gradual increase in numbers through to a marked increase in the 1960’s, leading to a quite dramatic upturn in the 1990’s. At least 190 formations were discovered and documented in 1999, seen by many as an omen for what is to come in the new millennium.

There are many who are under the impression that crop circles are only indigenous to the U.K.
It's very true they are more prevalent here than elsewhere in the world, but there are countless examples of them appearing all over the world - in the USA, Europe, Africa, Canada, Australia, Central & Southern America, Russia and Japan.  

In the seventies mysterious circles appeared in various crops in England. They immediately caught the public's attention. As these circles appeared year after year, got more sophisticated and spread to ever more areas a broad range of people got interested in studying and explaining this phenomenon. They range from scientists of various disciplines to New Age and UFO enthusiasts.

Trying to explain the mystery of the crop circles several theories were presented. In the eighties Dr. Terrence Meaden attempted to explain the spiral patterns occurring in crop circles as the result of atmospheric phenomena present, for instance, in the vortex of a dust devil or tornado.

Another approach comes from the proponents of the so-called 'Gaia hypothesis'. Crop circles frequently appear near ley-lines or places where ancient structures are found such as Stonehenge, Avebury, Salisbury etc. These cites are thought to have spiritual significance and, therefore, people believe these circles could be the expression of the collective Earth soul expressing its disgust with the present situation on the planet and indicating that all forms of consciousness should be realigned in a new direction.

If science cannot explain something usually it is declared a hoax. This opinion got a boost when two retired men came forward in the early nineties and claimed they had made the crop circles. Remarkably, this claim appeared simultaneously on CNN and a number of top international newspapers like the Wallstreet Journal, The New York Times, and European papers like the eminent French publication "Le Figaro".

The whole 'confession' was largely discounted on the idea that two old men with strings and a piece of board could possibly have made some of them but not have made all of them. Furthermore, this method leaves chafing and other mechanical marks on the stalks and the stalks would be bent in a characteristic way, which would show clearly a difference to other sites where a different method was used.

Crop circles have evolved over time. While initially they were just that, circles, straight lines were added as a next step. Intricate patterns with several circles and straight lines followed and as of lately complicated patterns with sometimes sophisticated formations integrating mathematical formulas within the circles have shown up. There are pictograms with signs sacred to various peoples the world over. It seems impossible to create such formations in a single night by hand. In fact, many of the recent crop images look like computer created art.

The bases of a crop image are bent stalks in various kinds of crops. They appear mostly in barley and wheat but can also be found in canola and grass, even on sand and snow.

The stalks can be bent in any direction in the same image. Sometimes they have several layers with the stalks bent in different directions. In the UK bent stalks have been noticed that look like woven in a pattern. The bending itself is done at the nodes. This is very peculiar as the nodes give plants their strength.

Often the crop images are set inside a field away from tramlines with no visible access. They also show up in fenced off restricted military areas. Plants in the affected areas look dehydrated and cells are enlarged. Soil samples tested by Colin Andrews yielded up to 100 % higher than normal EM measurements in the centers of the formations tested. There are reports that in the years following the appearance of the crop circle the affected areas had an increase in crop yield of up to 40%.

Crop circles initially appeared in the English countryside in the seventies and gradually spread over most of the world. Having excluded hoaxters, Earth consciousness and secret military activities several conclusions can be drawn. Whoever produces crop circles puts a lot of time and effort in this activity. Whoever is doing this has responded to clumsy attempts of hoaxters and scientific investigators to produce crop circles with ever more sophisticated designs that cannot be duplicated within the time frame such circles appear, which is in a single night. Whoever is behind the crop circles phenomenon has a plan and seems determined to implement it.








Bravo

Hoaxes, the lot of them.
Raymond

Now, would that evidence stand up in court?
Bravo

Raymond wrote:
Now, would that evidence stand up in court?


No, it would be too drunk to stand.

It would sit well in court
Raymond

Ok, who are the hoaxers behind CC's and how would they do it?
david hobbs

Raymond.  I have drunk with the men who make the circles.

But all is not that straight forward.
Raymond

Ahhh, Mr. Hobbs. I'm glad you jumped in on this thread because on one of the "unexplained" websites I use to gather all this information the readers are invited to comment on things they read.

Of the two crop circle makers one reader posted the following:

Am I the only one who finds it difficult to swallow the idea that two elderly gentlemen with a bit of string and a length of wood can make headline news on CNN and leading newspapers like The Wallstreet Journal, The New York Times and Le Figaro?

The above scenario seems quite suspicious. It is practically impossible to appear on CNN or on any other main stream publication with a topic as far out as crop circles.
That this happened in a timely coordinated fashion indicates that someone with a lot of clout was behind this action.

Probably the crop circles had stirred up enough interest and enough credibility that the public began to take them seriously, which translated into a world- wide security problem.
Probably several governments got together and decided that anything in connection with them had to be discredited. - The plan worked.
After this sensational "confession" interest in crop circles became almost non-existent in scientific circles and the topic was dead for all main stream media.

It is interesting to note that no group of any importance made a serious attempt to verify the old men's claims or to counter them.
Sure, they could have made a number of circles but there were so many in so many locations that two old men with strings and a board could not have made all of them.


I thought maybe this would appeal to your hunger for conspiracy.
david hobbs

Then you know me not at all Raymond.

I did once invite you to join me down in Wiltshire but you have probably forgotten.

It's a shame you didn't come because you would have had first hand experience of meeting a circle maker.

I have already put loads on here about crop circles and I can't put it all on again.

I see no conspiracies in this at all.  I do see other anomalies that are very strange to say the least.

Obviously Doug and Dave didn't make all of the crop circles, but I think that the TV and press saw this as an end to a story that made some feel a little uncomfortable.

Of course Wiltshire is a huge military region and it might just be possible that the government would want to discourage circle enthusiasts from crawling all over the area.  They tend to keep their eyes open and talk about their findings to each other.

Not good for security as these guys do not know the meaning of secret or boundries.

That's the buzz for them .
Bravo

Raymond wrote:
I thought maybe this would appeal to your hunger for conspiracy.


Just to clarify, I for one certainly have no hunger for conspiracy.  I very much would rather it were not there.  I wish I could hide behind ignorance and pretend bad stuff didn't happen, but it does.  

Crop circles aren't a conspiracy though, it's just artists ruining food crops.  This, in my opinion does not make them nice people.
meiah

I like them  

Someone, somewhere put a lot of effort into creating something beautiful yet temporary, which gives enjoyment to many, whether through appreciation, fascination or endless debate., and which bring people together.

This, in my mind, is a good thing.
Bravo

I can't say it's a good thing to destroy food crops while hundreds of people will die this very day due to lack of food.  I don't think a jolly jape is worth it.

Now, it is not the hoaxers fault that people are dying for lack of food, but they very definitely aren't helping the situation.
meiah

And perhaps in bringing people together, perhaps in promoting debate, perhaps people may start to understand each other, may starting to see other points of view, may become a little less closeminded and may start to see beyond themselves, and may start to consider cause and affect, and so look at issues such as foodwasteage and world hunger.

Perhaps not, but the sun is shining, and I am talking to someone I have never met about world hunger, food wasteage, and all becuase of crop circles.

Am off to hug someone
Bravo

I'd prefer the hug, a cyber one.  Not too tight
Raymond

Well, how the tables have turned.

I see conspiracy all over this. How can two old geezers with a bit of string and a lump of wood create such wonderful works of art overnight and then appear in some of the world's top newspapers and news channels?

No sorry, don't buy it.
david hobbs

Raymond wrote:
Well, how the tables have turned.

I see conspiracy all over this. How can two old geezers with a bit of string and a lump of wood create such wonderful works of art overnight and then appear in some of the world's top newspapers and news channels?

No sorry, don't buy it.


Raymond I think you knew that all along.  It was pretty obvious mate

Meiah is so right when she mentions this subject bringing people together.

Every year thousands come from all over the world and have done for many years.

They talk and share and learn together.

The price is probably a few hundred weight of corn that is probably destined to be fed to cattle.  The financial income to the area is huge and always has been.

A very small price indeed I would say.

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