Beliefs Of A Satanist.

Raymond · Beliefs Of A Satanist.

Ares, I am completely fascinated by your way of life and really do want to know more.

With regard to Satanism, I'd like to know a bit about what you believe and a little more about the practice itself.

For example, is Satanism a recognised religion? Do you consider it a religion - in the usual meaning of the word?
What exactly do you practice as a Satanist? Do you have festivals and holy days?
What are your views on God? Does Jesus play a part in your activities?
Would you consider yourself anti-Christian?

Phew! I think that's enough for the moment.

Ares

I consider Satanism a religion. We believe in Satan as the ruler and Lilith as the mother. We pratice mediation, we mediate to balance our energy and raise energy. We learn to control energy and use energy. Our festivals are the same as in Wicca. We think of god as worthless and his son Jesus the same. I am an anti-Christian, but I also respect if someone wants to be a Christian.

Raymond

Are Satanist rituals a mockery of Christian beliefs? Do you seek to offend the christian God?

Ares

That would be a personal choice. I do not look to offend anyones god. I don't agree with the Christian religion, bu I respect people who want to believe it. We do pronounce God and his son Jesus worthless. We are just people who are in touch with the dakrness and want to explore the possibilites of the world.

Raymond

Ares

Satan was actually the true god in pagan beliefs before Christianity was establish. You are familar with the horned god, well Satan is the horned god. Christianity took the pagan beliefs and turn it into something evil. The trident which was a symbol of power became the devil's pitch fork. The witch's hat was a symbol of knowledge which became a assciated with the Christian idea of witches, and all the pagan gods and symbols became evil.

Raymond

There is nothing original about Christianity. Everything they do or believe in is, in some way, a bastardisation of a pagan concept.

I honour the Horned God, as all Witches do but I honour him as the Goddess' consort. King of the Wildwood, leader of the wildhunt.

I also honour him in is aspects of Herne or Cernunnos.

To me, 'Satan' is the christianised version of the Horned God. The bastardised version.

Like Halloween is the bastardised version of Samhain.

Ares

Well actually every religion takes some sort of ideas from another religion. It is how ideas develop to create a religion. Satan is the Christian version of the Horned God. Usually we call him Satan, but Horned God is the correct version, or Satanists will call him Father.

Samjaza

Can a Satanist be anti-Christian? I mean Jesus was anti-Jewish by toppling the tables. Nothing wrong with Jesus, goog old time hippy wandering around preaching love. what I am anti is the establishment. The Vatican. the organisation behind religions who mostly know the truth, but with so much money in the coffers are they gonna reveal this?
Remember what happened when people learnt to read and had access to the bible, where the church was the only means of its revelation? as soon as people read the bible front to back they questioned and abandoned the church in droves.
Satanism was summed up simply as being the ability to simply say "Why" and "What If". Satan is derived from the term "The Accuser" and therein lay Satanic philosophy, Accuse all !

evergreen

Can I ask why you thing God is worthless.... if Satan is a god then what is the difference?

I'm not a Christian by the way

just interested

I also wonder about the darkness you keep referring to what appeal does it actually have? you see I don't' really see things in this dark and light that yourself and Raymond keep referring to

Raymond

Well in magickal terms, dark and light would be the labels you might attach to certain workings.

For example, to use magickal energy to help heal a person is generally considered 'light' magick. To use magickal energy to harm a person is generally considered 'dark' magick.

It's actually very simplistic terms because the whole business of light and dark is very murky and not black and white.

I was once asked to work a spell for somebody who was suicidal because her husband had left her.
She really wanted him back, he really wanted to leave.
The same spellworking would have been 'light' for her, but 'dark' for him.

There's a lot more to it than just that but that's the explanation of light and dark in magickal terms.

Ares

Raymond

I'm not sure I'd agree with that last post actually Ares. Wicca was created by Gerald Gardner and Doreen Valiente.
Gardner travelled all over the UK studying what he believed to be the remnants of the pagan religion of Great Britain.
He pulled together everything he learned and formed a rough outline of Wicca, and this is easy to see if you live in the UK.

He also filled in a lot of the blanks from the teachings of Aliester Crowley and also a lot from Freemasonry of which he was said to be a member.

I've studied the lives and work of Gardner and Valiente in great detail and I've never come across any mention of either being involved with Satanism.

Wiccans and Witches alike do honour the Horned God but there is evidence to suggest that a horned god was worshipped throughout Europe and the UK long before Christianity or any concept of Satan.

Samjaza

Satan is derived from old aramatic/semitic, it means "To Accuse" . Googler it if you want. I think Abramelin in his books also wrote a long piece about the etymology of the origins.
The image of satan being horned is pureley phallic and regenerative. Just as the stag who crys "Herne" when mating.
It is true the Old Gods become the new demons though.
Anton LA Vey however actually performed rites for the newly corrupted old god, i.e. the new concept of SAtan, rather than worshipping the old principle, and this is what i'm at odds with as regards to "Satanists"

Raymond

That was my next question for you actually Ares. Do you follow the teachings of Anton LaVay?

To my mind, a true Satanist worships the concept of the anti-Christ. The 'all-evil' one.

Satan, as we know him, is the fallen angel, to the left of God. A personification of everything bad and evil. That's what christianity teaches us anyway.

The Horned One, as in Herne the Hunter is the fertility god of the old pagan religion. He isn't 'evil' but wild, and represents man's wild instincts.

The early church turned the old fertility god into their devil in an attempt to turn people away from the old ways.

If you worship Satan in the way the church describes him then surely that makes you a Satanist. If you honour the Horned God in the sense of being the fertility god then makes you a pagan.

Samjaza

a tad digression. In the works of Job in the bible the devil challenges God that if Job is deprived of his worldly goods then Job would no longer worship God. God accepts the challenge, takes away his wealth, kills his family etc,....which isn't nice. Job ends up cursing God. The devil wins. This means God has always tolerated the Devil.
In Enoch the rebel angels accuse |God by declaring his making of mankind was wrong.
Lucifer is a very interesting deity. Luciferians differ from Satanists as they believe Lucifer is God whereas, Ares correct me if i'm wrong, Satan believe that Satan is opposite to God, and not liking God and his creation as per Enochian Angels, they take the side of Satan?
the 33rd degree freemasons declare lucifer as a hidden name of the true god, which is quite a revelation from being told the natural name of god is JahBalOn.
This is a mammoth topic.

Raymond

Ares

I wouldn't use the bible as an example since the way Christians interpet Satan as something evil. Luciferianism is a spin off of Satanism.

I do not follow the teaching of Anton LaVay.

Now the word Satan does mean the accuser, but we do not mean Satanism to reflect on Chistian idealogy.

I would recommend to look at this website http://www.joyofsatan.org.

david hobbs

This may sound silly but I always get a feeling about people after a couple of posts, and Ares I feel you are a good person.

Strange don't you think when everyone thinks that Satanists are dark and wicked yet i just know you are not that way at all.

Ares

I don't just have my mind around only Satanism. I keep my mind open just like everyone here, but sadly it all depends on the person that is a Satanic. Religion does not define a person, it is the will of a person that defines a person. I enjoy being in the darkness, but I am a nice person. I just have never been able to see the light as others do.

david hobbs

Ares

I live in the day. We do everything just as person would do. I just wear sunglases when I am out in the sun. I am sensitive in the sun and always get mindgrains. I do live off of life energy from people.

david hobbs