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Anjem Choudary addresses the English Defence LeagueGiven the massive rise of the English Defence League (which was formed in response to the Luton demonstrations), I thought a debate on this issue would be of interest.The EDL say they are a non racist organisation, that is against radical islamics only. Muslims, blacks, asians, chinese etc are all welcome within it's ranks. From what I've read, it is only the implementation of sharia law that they wish to avert. Anjem Choudary addresses the English Defence League |
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| david hobbs |
I am not ignoring this but it looks like something that will take a bit of time and I am off now.
It's our Anniversary. No not me and Raymond. Me and Magi. So I shall take a look when I get a bit of time. |
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| Raymond |
Oh I see, so I'm the 'other woman' now am I?
I too will look at it later. I'm not celbrating a milestone of anything this evening but Strictly Come Dancing is on in a minute and I want to read about this EDL properly before I comment. What can I say? With the wind in my hair and a song in my heart, I'm a whore to the Cha Cha Cha! |
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| david hobbs |
Well then it's the old story isn't it.
I know what's best for you. Yet another conspiracy. Trouble is religious people are trapped in their belief that they and only they know the truth. A bit like pagans really. This has been going on for hundreds of years but with the advent of Easy Jet we now have it on our own shores. |
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| david hobbs |
It is also easy to focus on one small aspect of an entire culture or just a few people and make hasty judgements.
We have been conditioned to think that beard plus turban equals bad. Let them dream of world domination it is just a dream. Yes it is wrong to just ignore this kind of thing but it is also wrong to see ten football fans fighting and forgetting that the other 20,000 fans are just enjoying the game. |
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| Bravo |
To be fair, the implementation of sharia law and the islamification of the UK isn't really a small aspect.
Sharia is a disgrace to humanity, especially women. |
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| Raymond |
It had to happen really. This government's spectacular in-action in dealing with Islamic fundamentalists will undoubtedly lead to groups like this springing up more and more.
Ever since 9/11 and 7/7 this government has bent over backwards to ram home the message that's it's only a very small percentage of British Muslims who support the implementation of sharia law in Britain, I happen to think that's in reality it's only a very small percentage of British Muslims who are against it and while we're on the subject I also think the vast majority of British Muslims supported the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks. I have confidence that sharia law will never be implemented in Britain. Just look at all the difficulties the government and the EU have had trying to get us to adopt the "european" way of thinking, and they have failed so miserably that they have all but given up completely. It's because of that I won't rush out and join organisations like the EDL anymore than I would support organisations such as the BNP, however, if there ever was a time when it looked like sharia law might be implemented in this country I would happily take up arms and do my bit to fight it. I would honestly rather be dead than live in a Britain governed by sharia law. It's bad enough having to live under christian law but any form of islamic law would be a step too far. |
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| Bravo |
It's already implemented mate, and millions live under it. That's a fact undisputed by nobody. As a dutch politician recently said with regard to the islamification of Europe, 'it is not five to eight, it is five to twelve'. |
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| Raymond |
The people who already live under it do so by choice. I do not live under sharia law and I never will. | ||||
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You think the women who are abused and denigrated choose to do so? They are bullied and harangued until they resign themselves to their fate and give in and go along with it. A recent channel four documentary which infiltrated the higher echelons of the muslim faith and filmed them talking of a 'nation within a nation' as being the first step to the full implementation of sharia law in the UK and the islamic flag flying over Downing Street. People are genuinely scared, and it's not an issue of racism, people of all colours and all faiths (or not) are frightened of what is happening. |
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| Raymond |
You want me to have pity for them??? I'm afraid that's part and parcel of being a Muslim. Muslim women are treated like shit - only slightly better than animals. It's their choice to stay Muslim, so yes, they choose to be abused. In a country like Britain nobody has to be part of any religion. People only stay with religions by choice. If these women choose to remain Muslim then they choose to be treated badly - that's the deal. There 1.5 million Muslims in Britain. There are 60.5 million people in Britain. You do the maths. I really don't think sharia law will be implemented any time soon Bravo. |
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| Bravo |
An interesting video from their website:
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| Raymond |
They can believe what they like.
They believe an Islamic flag will fly above 10 Downing Street. The BNP believe Britain will once again become an all-white, anglo-saxon country. Neither will ever happen. |
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| Bravo |
How many of those 60.5 million are actively trying to stop Sharia? How many of the (actually closer to 4.5 million) muslims are actively trying to implement Sharia? Up to now I'd say none for the former and many thousands for the latter. Your turn to do the math. |
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| Bravo |
It is a part of Sharia that if they leave the religion they are candidates for vicious beatings and even death (this does happen, and it does happen in the UK). I think you'd call that a bit of a Hobson's choice |
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| Raymond |
In the 2001 census there were 1.5 million muslims in Britain. I really don't think another 3 million have reached our shores in 8 years. |
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| Bravo |
In 2001, there were 2,331,423 registered muslims living in England alone. These figures do not of course include anybody living here illegally which is anyones guess. | ||||
| Raymond |
Ok, for the sake of argument let's go with your 2,331,423. I still think your guess of 4.5 million is wide of the mark.
But that's all beside the point anyway. Even if it were as many as 10 million that's still only 10% of the population of the country. People are actively trying to stop sharia law because to most people it isn't a problem. There are still whole swathes of the country where there are no muslim people. You don't even have to go very far out of London. I was in Guildford today and didn't see one asian person all day. To people who live in these areas it's just not a problem. And I have to say, even to someone like me who lives in an area where it's almost 90% muslim - it's not a problem. Like I said, they would have to kill me first before I accepted sharia law or became a muslim. I would rather die first than accept any part of that dreadful religion. |
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| Bravo |
That indeed is the choice they offer. |
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| Raymond |
Bring it on. As long as they know I'll be taking a few of the b*stards with me. |
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| Bravo |
An example of sharia law in use! This 8 year old boy was caught stealing bread to eat.
His punishment? for the owner of the car to drive over the arm the boy stole the food with!!! Photos removed |
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| Raymond |
It's harsh, but I bet he'll never steal again.
I bet they don't have gangs of hoodies hanging around causing problems on the street corners of Tehran. |
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| Raymond |
Here's another example of sharia justice the Iranian way. These two teenagers were hanged. Their crime?
Being gay. Photo removed |
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| Bravo |
Indeed, these 'laws' are an affront to humanity imo, what the bloody harm are a couple of gays doing to anyone? Makes me want to spew | ||||
| Raymond |
It's against Allah's will. |
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| Bravo |
It's against the will of some backward cretins that use the name of Allah to force their ridiculous ideas of how people should live onto a populace governed by fear. They are getting stronger and stronger by the day and idiot people in power in this country are also scared of them and fall over themselves trying to look as a friend to this death cult, though it will do them no good in the end. |
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| Bravo |
This DJ really tore into this guy who had phoned carrying on about those cartoons in Denmark.
Link |
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| Raymond |
Thanks for that Bravo.
That's probably the first video anybody has posted on here that I've watched/listened to all the way through. I agree with every word the DJ said. Once upon a time Islam was a peaceful religion of art, culture and peace, but recently it has been completely hijacked by "thugs, racists, male-supremacists and violence junkies". This once peaceful religion has become a cult. What's more it's a disgrace to humanity and a cancer on the face of the human race. |
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| david hobbs |
What rubbish.
It is a valid religion with some idiots on board. |
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| Bravo |
Problem is, it's the idiots running it. Muslims themselves are among the biggest victims, and they need our help it would seem. | ||||
| david hobbs |
Do they. I haven't been asked. |
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| billy nomates |
raymond- you are talking bollocks!
in the first 100 years of islam the followers hacked their way thru men,women and children all the way from saudi arabia across north africa......40 years after the death of mohammed they spilt into sunni and shi-ites.......and those hoons have been killing each other ever since........so much for the religion of peace. dave-it's bollocks.............an illiterate goat herder claimed that the archangel gabriel came down and told him the thoughts of god........... if you are born into a muslim family and country then you pretty much have to be a muslim otherwise the other nutters will kill you......... can you feel the love........... ps christianity and judaism are also bollocks-based on other comedic novels 
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| Raymond |
Spoken like a true NIMBY. I will say to you the same thing I say to everybody who believes in the 'it's the few making it bad for the many' argument. Come and live with me for a couple of weeks. Come and live in an area that's 85% Muslim and then you will see just what's going on. You will see for yourself just how many Muslims are peace loving people who reject the idea of jihad. It's easy to make comments like that when you live in a place where there are hardly any Muslims, but when you live in a place where there are thousands of them then you see soon enough what the real story is. |
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| Raymond |
Comedic novels and stolen concepts from older religions. |
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| Bravo |
Same old same old.
People who know a bit about the muslim religion know the true extent of it's evil. People who know very little repeat almost verbatim the complete codswallop about islam being a religion of peace. The word is Taqiyya, which basically is about people of the muslim faith lying about it's true intentions to prevent them from coming to harm. So when you see them on the TV saying just how peaceful islam is, yet you see them murdering themselves and others in their thousands in the name of their god, now you know why. |
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| billy nomates |
the muslim 'umma' is a desire to take over the world.........
and they dont want a love in. medieval nutters. |
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| david hobbs |
So are you saying then that all Muslims are the same? | ||||
| billy nomates |
almost........islam works thru fear......there is no choice or debate....
dan cruickshank made a film for the bbc before we invaded afghanistan. on the outskirts of kabul was a mens centre where citizens were 'educated'.....dan -in his good egg type manner -said to the head scrote 'so what hapens if someone loses their faith and dont want to be muslims? do you take him under your wing and persuade him?................'no,'came the reply.' we kill them'!!!!!!!!! so its a bit tough when you are living in fear to go against the grain...... easier to join in the madness.......... we had all this crap here in the past........being a catholic or being a witch could lead to an unpleasant death.all it took was an accusation mostly.. |
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| Raymond |
Watch this, and pay attention to the f*ckwit at the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjC3eMBSJ0k |
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| Bravo |
Yep, it's how they do it. Murder a few so the rest do exactly what you want.
Standard terror tactics as taught by the murderous Mohammed, who was one of the biggest psychopaths the world has ever seen. Yet he wrote the words muslims now live by. You couldn't make it up. |
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| Raymond |
Oh you could. There are still people who live their lives by the words of Hitler.
There's a very fine line between religion and politics. |
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| ChildOfChrist |
THIS IS RIGHT These homosexuals SHOULD be put to death but in the name of JESUS CHRIST and not the false prophet Mohammed. IF THERE IS A MAN WHO LIES WITH A MAN AS THOSE WHO LIE WITH A WOMAN, BOTH OF THEM HAVE COMMITTED A DETESABLE ACT. THEY SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH Leviticus 20:13 |
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| Bravo |
Bravo 1:1
Anyone who condemns others to death should shut the heck up and be themselves then put to death. See? Anyone can write bull. Also, I think somebody said something about people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. Forgot who it was...maybe it was Jimmy Saville... |
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| swanlady |
Can one of you please remove the photo of those two poor baby boys from the thread.
COC YOU ARE ONE TWISTED SICKO AND NEED TO BE STOOD THERE IN PLACE OF THOSE TWO YOUNG BABIES!!!!! |
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| Bravo |
Done |
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| swanlady |
Thanks Bravo.
The purpose of that photo was,nt for some sicko to condone the death of those two young lads for being human. |
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| Raymond |
Oh you really are one sick puppy. I'll tell you what COC, why don't you PM me and I'd be happy to give you my home address. Then you can come round and we'll discuss ways you can put me to death, and then, when you try it, I can retaliate and say I was defending myself and that's why I kicked your good-for-nothing, shit-for-brains head in you SICK FUCK!!!!! |
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| Bravo |
Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
These cretins don't even realise just how absurd their little book(s) of worship can be. Don't let him get to you Raymond. Remember, for these idiots to upset you, they need your consent ;) |
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| Raymond |
You're right Bravo. It's comedy. Drama. A bit of a camp up.
The irony is I know so many christians who would attack this 'COC' more than we do, it's people like him/her/it who give christianity a bad name. |
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| ShadowPhoenix |
wow...CoC, you little crotch goblin...you post these images boldly because you are able to hide behind a computer screen...yet I'd be willing to bet if you confronted a gay man to his face it wouldn't turn out to well for you...so since you have probably already realized that no one is truly taking seriously anything you say...just shrivel up and blow away. No one cares about your 2,000 year old bed time story book as many have wisened up and learned that christianity is a religion of the ignorant. Buh-bye buuuuuh-byyyyyyeee 
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| Raymond |
 for SP!!
I've got no idea what that little sign says but it's bound to be a good thing. Well said SP. |
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| ShadowPhoenix |
But of course! 
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| evergreen |
I have always been open to others view points ... but obviously that is a point lost on COC apparently there is no view point other than his- how can anyone condone death by hanging for something that harms no one but your god... what a god he must be??
COC may you be blessed with many many gay children.. see where your faith takes you then |
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| Raymond |
Well said EG! | ||||
| evergreen |
I used to have a brother in law who was born again christian and he piped on like this all the time... I use to always wish him a beautiful gay child since every time I had a cold apparently it was the devil I had inside me that made me sick...- and when he was sick and I said it was the devils influence on him that made him sick I thought he was going to choke with rage mmwwwaaaaahahahahaha.. and that was a "pastor" can you believe if!!!!
the only way to shut them up is to quote the bible back to them .. there is no come back when you speak their language |
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| Raymond |
That's one thing I can't do. I can proudly say I've never even looked inside one. | ||||
| Raymond |
So anyway, back to the point of this thread. You'll like this one Bravo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs...6EFg&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div |
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| Bravo |
Indeed. Just goes to show from watching the replies on YouTube, there are always muslims who find it and comment on it. One of the ones on there:
I wouldn't mind the bloody religion, or any religion, but they keep trying to force their backward beliefs onto others. It's got to be stopped, or this country and the world will take a giant leap backwards 2,000 years. |
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| evergreen |
this is one of those things the internet has helped to grow which has not been good for world cooperation... | ||||
| Raymond |
I really don't know where this idea that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the western world comes from. I sure it must be propaganda.
The fact is that certainly in Britain and America and to a lesser bit still substantial degree in Europe and Australia, the fastest growing religion is Paganism. It will be interesting to see what the 2011 census shows up. In the 2001 census, pagans were writing their individual paths on the census, 'Witch', 'Druid' 'Wiccan' 'Heathen' and of course the numptys who collate the information counted all these things as seperate religions. Since then all the major pagan groups have worked together to encourage people to simply put 'Pagan', so at least then we can all be counted as one. Hopefully that will stop all this nonsense about Islam being the fastest growing religion. |
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| Bravo |
I don't think you can compare a few hundred witches with the hundreds of millions of muslims tbh
If you are talking of percentage terms then it doesn't really matter anyway. |
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| Raymond |
I would disagree with your 'a few hundred' quote, certainly in Britian and most definately in America.
Anyway, here's another video you might find enjoyable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo |
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| ChildOfChrist |
Islam is evil as well as your heathen beliefs. the LORD will make no distinction between you when the time comes | ||||
| Bravo |
Well where is your lord now, as these muslims run rampant throughout the world? Where is he, eh? Nowhere, that's where. |
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| Bravo |
Link |
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| Raymond |
How do you do that Bravo? How do you get a youtube video in a message without just posting a link?
Fantastic video by the way. |
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| Bravo |
Like this:
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| Bravo |
Fancy coming to Leeds Raymond? I'll be there
Link |
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| Bravo |
btw I made that video myself so you better bloody like it. |
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| Raymond |
Oh so we're back to all this are we?
Where were you when I needed a bit of backup? When I had Waff and Sian telling me that the Muslims were really nice people and I had got it all wrong about them? Honestly! You can't rely on anybody on here. |
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| Bravo |
You wont have heard much about the last demonstration, the press reported that there were only around 250 EDL there, when the reality was closer (according to Greater Manchester Police) to 2,500.
Here is a march through from just one section of the EDL on their way to the main meeting point. Link Bear in mind the EDL was only formed on June 27th this year when 30 guys marched through Whitechapel. Less than four months later, 2,500 are marching through Manchester, and Leeds on the 31st October will be bigger still. Totally non-racist, they have muslim, black, gay, Christian, sikh, hindu, jewish, you name it members. Yet still the leftist media and the fascist UAF label the EDL as Nazi's. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth shall out. |
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| Bravo |
Sorry mate, missed that. Muslims are nice people in general though, have to agree there. It's the extremists that are causing the problem, and it is ordinary muslims that suffer most from them. |
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| Bravo |
Well.
It's Leeds (and London) tomorrow. I'll be in Leeds. |
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| Bravo |
I guess nobody interested in that then lol
Never mind. |
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| swanlady |
wish I lived nearer. Iwould have come along. | ||||
| Bravo |
As this thread relates to Anjem Choudary, here is a little bit about the guy (about 3 minutes).
You'll absolutely LOVE his views on you. Link |
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| Raymond |
I completely support the aims of the EDL, and I am totally against any form of sharia law in Britain but I have to ask, all these people going on demonstrations and doing a bit of shouting - what exactly will it achieve? | ||||
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The main aim for this year is to raise awareness. I bet you didn't hear much about the Leeds demo on UK TV did you? Not so much as a peep. It was shown by the (free) press all over Europe. So we got new members from Leeds, who physically saw the demo, and from Europe, who also saw it on TV. It even made the news in the USA, just not in fascist England. Now the support is getting massive, already there are concessions falling to us left right and centre (join the forum you'll see loads of examples) where the voice of sanity is getting heard. We are doing various campaigns such as against KFC (did you know in London they now only serve halal meat?), Asda, again on a halal issue. And various others. Latest one this morning is Camden council has banned all the churches from mentioning the words 'God' and 'Christmas' from any literature they produce this Christmas. So we are running a telephone/email campaign against Camden council also. Stuff like that mate. |
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| Raymond |
All schools and hospitals in East london only serve halal meat as well. | ||||
| Bravo |
From what I gather, Christians can't eat meat prayed over to a heathen god. So where is their choice? It is a disgrace. | ||||
| Bravo |
Demo on right now in Glasgow btw
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/AboutGlasgow/WebCams/ |
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| Raymond |
Unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.
This current Labour government won't do anything about it and I doubt the next Conservative government will do much either. They're all too scared of being called racist. More and more white British people are flocking to the gates of the BNP because they are so angry at what's going on. I've been saying it for years and I always get into a lot of trouble for saying it but the next world war will be an Islam verses non-Islam war and it will probably start in Europe and more than likely start in Britain. We will all be choosing sides soon. Mark my words. |
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| Bravo |
Unfortunately I think you're right. Further I think the side choosing has already begun. |
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| Raymond |
I made my choice years ago. | ||||
| Raymond |
Don't the Scots have something to say about it being called The ENGLISH defence league? Surely The British Defence League would have been a better choice. |
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| Bravo |
The Glasgow thing is an SDL event. | ||||
| david hobbs |
Well having looked at what these people stand for it is exactly what I have advocated for years.
ALL British citizens standing together regardless of race colour or creed. United we stand divided we fall. Nothing divides more than religion. They have my vote. |
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| Bravo |
Nice one Hobbsy.
Seeing all the sheer blatant lies going about the place shows just how busy the little communists have been. They have a very impressive lying machine going on. They even had a PC spouting their propaganda yesterday, when a woman enquired who the SDL lads were (remember there were Israelis, blacks, asians etc in the SDL group) and the police officers answered 'far right BNP fascists' the woman went 'ohhh'. Now I don't know about you, but I don't recall seeing many Jewish Nazi's. Had one on YouTube last night, a guy accusing the EDL of being homophobic. Yep, a person defending Sharia law (where it is the word of god to kill homosexuals, yes kill, not just be not nice but kill). We had this person who defends sharia calling us homophobic. Unbelievable. Well, I am glad to say, people are literally finding it unbelievable and giving the EDL a fair hearing. It's like lights are switching on all over the country, and not a moment too soon I can tell you. |
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| Raymond |
Bravo, send me the link to this prick saying the EDL are homophobic. As one gay man to another I'll soon put him in his place. | ||||
| Bravo |
It was on some youtube video that a little commie git made to look as though it was a genuine news report.
There was a demo a while back that the local muslim population came out in force and attacked EVERYBODY (passers by also) with bricks, bottles and sticks. It was only a glorious stand by about 60 EDL lads that saved a lot of people from getting very seriously injured that day. This 'news report' said that EDL went in there that day 'hoping to provoke a response' from the local muslim population and when they were attacked that the 'EDL got what they came for'. That's how bad it was. They even dragged up some asian guy with an obviously several days old injury and said that he'd just been attacked by some SDL people. Pure blatant unadulterated rubbish. There's been a bit of a comment war on this one to say the least lol http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=nVLr5MSgLVg The video does go to show just how far they'll go to try make us look bad. (remove the space between you and tube - I don't want them to know they are linked from here, they'll come here y'see) |
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| Raymond |
LET THEM COME!!!
I'd have plenty to say. |
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| Raymond |
Says it all really...
Link |
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| Bravo |
It teaches in the Koran that you should beat your wives and subdue them, but that's a bloody 1300 year old book written by a war loving, vicious paedophile psychopath. How anybody can follow the 'religion of peace' is beyond me, well aside form the fact they'd be killed if they left it I guess. | ||||
| david hobbs |
Well that's why paganism is growing so quickly in the west. People have come to realise through education that religion is bunk. So is paganism in many ways but it is less bunk so more acceptable.
Perhaps if I had been brought up to pray five times a day I might believe in something. But I wasn't so I don't. |
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