There an experience that I keep revisiting, probably a sort of meditation, usually when I am having a quiet moment. It is like a memeory and yet a new discovery each and every time.
I feel myself expanding, not physically, but in awareness, until there is a sort of change, like a ripple, or wave of sound with no noise.
I am aware of a wall in front of me, solid, unpassable, which I slip through as if it were water, or a venetian blind.
Beyond that wall is a scene of utmost beauty, or utter devastation. It is both, and neither. I do not choose, there is no choice which needs to be made. I just absorb the "everything" which it is.
When I turn back, there is no wall, but there is a huge step which I cannot possibly climb, but which I step up as if it were a curbstone. More steps are ahead, and the one I have just climbed becomes not a drop behind me, but a wall to lean on, to support me. A road travelled.
evergreen
That is very interesting meiah.. what have you taken it to mean for you? if anythign of course
david hobbs
Re: A recurring one
meiah wrote:
There an experience that I keep revisiting, probably a sort of meditation, usually when I am having a quiet moment. It is like a memeory and yet a new discovery each and every time.
I feel myself expanding, not physically, but in awareness, until there is a sort of change, like a ripple, or wave of sound with no noise.
I am aware of a wall in front of me, solid, unpassable, which I slip through as if it were water, or a venetian blind.
Beyond that wall is a scene of utmost beauty, or utter devastation. It is both, and neither. I do not choose, there is no choice which needs to be made. I just absorb the "everything" which it is.
When I turn back, there is no wall, but there is a huge step which I cannot possibly climb, but which I step up as if it were a curbstone. More steps are ahead, and the one I have just climbed becomes not a drop behind me, but a wall to lean on, to support me. A road travelled.
What does that mean to you Meiah ?
meiah
Loads, and nothing
That our barriers are of our own making
That what we see is not necessarily how things are
That there is perfection in all things (even if we judge it to be otherwise)
That each step supports the next one, and has supported it even before we took it
And much more, and none of these.
Its a simplification, a clarity, a nondecision, a nonjudgement.
As if you could act despite your thinking, and in that action show yourself a different way, which should throw all that you know into disarray but instead creates another possibility, all because what you know did not restrict what is do-able....sort of.
david hobbs
meiah wrote:
Loads, and nothing
That our barriers are of our own making
That what we see is not necessarily how things are
That there is perfection in all things (even if we judge it to be otherwise)
That each step supports the next one, and has supported it even before we took it
And much more, and none of these.
Its a simplification, a clarity, a non decision, a non judgement.
As if you could act despite your thinking, and in that action show yourself a different way, which should throw all that you know into disarray but instead creates another possibility, all because what you know did not restrict what is do-able....sort of.
In my Magical days I would make a ritual statement and then disappear from existence while it worked it's way into being. If not my prejudices and judgments and beliefs would have prevented or altered the desired outcome. The desire was for the correct outcome regardless of what my mind said.
It worked.
meiah
Yes, I see
Where you disappear from existence, I exist outside of what I know and so what I know does not get in the way.
david hobbs
meiah wrote:
Yes, I see
Where you disappear from existence, I exist outside of what I know and so what I know does not get in the way.
It is easier to do when you are standing in the centre of a flowing river of perceived energy.
In everyday life a little trickier.
meiah
I know
Maybe thats why I am not enlightened?
meiah
Actually, maybe its just because everyday life is shaped by what we know, and so to stand outside on a day to day basis would simply be to not live our lives?
david hobbs
meiah wrote:
Actually, maybe its just because everyday life is shaped by what we know, and so to stand outside on a day to day basis would simply be to not live our lives?
Do we live our lives or do we live perceived realities born of our beliefs ?
meiah
What is the difference?
david hobbs
meiah wrote:
What is the difference?
Exactly my point.
So perhaps enligtenment lies beyond belief.
meiah
Bingo
david hobbs
No
I can't believe that.
Try this out.
A very good medium once said to me "once you have attained true clairvoyance you realise that you don't need it"
He was a strange guy but he was a superb medium. Still is I hope.
Perhaps Evergreen can shed some light as well.
meiah
Having spent some time not thinking about this, it seems to me that our beliefs change HOW we see things, not what those things are.
Those things have always been, and will always be, as concepts, as ideas, as potential even if not in reality.
So our beliefs do not shape our lives, rather they shape how we view our lives.
And in doing so, when we change our beliefs, we change the life we are leading. On a timeline it is the same life, but seen from somewhere else, it is a very different life.
So then, maybe enightenment does not lie beyond belief, maybe it lies in spite of belief.
As for your strange but superb Medium friend, I wish him well.
I have no real point of reference for clairvoyance, and yet I feel the ease of the statement, the rightness, the pleasure and the humour of it.
david hobbs
meiah wrote:
Having spent some time not thinking about this, it seems to me that our beliefs change HOW we see things, not what those things are.
Those things have always been, and will always be, as concepts, as ideas, as potential even if not in reality.
So our beliefs do not shape our lives, rather they shape how we view our lives.
And in doing so, when we change our beliefs, we change the life we are leading. On a time line it is the same life, but seen from somewhere else, it is a very different life.
So then, maybe enlightenment does not lie beyond belief, maybe it lies in spite of belief.
As for your strange but superb Medium friend, I wish him well.
I have no real point of reference for clairvoyance, and yet I feel the ease of the statement, the rightness, the pleasure and the humour of it.
Yes. I have been thinking along these lines for some time know.
Life is the law.
Experiences entertain the "living ego" whilst life does what it must do.
