I think spirit energy is a different thing .. I could be wrong though
Houdini wasn't a skeptic he was a real non believer...
it seems to me the issue is not the fact that this can occur but the idea that is always has to be in the pitch dark... why is this so? Why not even a candle _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
I think spirit energy is a different thing .. I could be wrong though
Houdini wasn't a skeptic he was a real non believer...
it seems to me the issue is not the fact that this can occur but the idea that is always has to be in the pitch dark... why is this so? Why not even a candle
Again this is not correct Evergreen.
Helen Duncan worked with a red light on in the room.
Even though I am a total beleiver I agree with the sceptics on one thing. If you can do a certain thing then you should be able to do it in broad daylight as well as in the pitch dark.
Darkness hides secrets and I will never be totally comfortable with physical mediumship until I see a demonstration of it in full light.
Voice contact mediumship is a form of physical mediumship and even then I have never seen a demonstration where I haven't left feeling unsure.
A few years ago I was invited to a demonstration of voice contact at the SAGB.
The Medium was said to be one of the best voice contacts Mediums in Britain. How could I not go?
There were only about 20 of us there and the Medium spent the first hour telling us about voice contact before he actually did anything.
When he was ready to start working he sat in a cupboard with a red light shining on him and all other lights off.
After a few grunts and groans an array of various characters cam through to impart their knowledge one of whom was none other than Sir Arthur Conan Doyle himself!
All this went on for about an hour when eventually a Chinese man came through. The crowd started to get a little excited about this so I asked the old lady next to me why.
She explained that the Chinese man was the Medium's guide and he always invited questions from the audience.
People started asking questions, What is it like when you die? What is the afterlife like? Had he met Elvis? The usual crap.
So I put my had up and he pointed to me and said "Yes, my child"
My child? Patronising git!
So I asked him if he would speak some Chinese for me. All heads turned to look at me.
The Medium hesitated for a moment and then said "Why would you want me to speak Chinese? If I spoke in my native tongue you wouldn't understand what it was I was saying to you".
How did he know I didn't speak Chinese?
Not to be outdone I ploughed on.
"I know Chinese when I hear it" I said "So I'd know you were speaking Chinese if you said something".
He went on to explain that the vibration that had been raised for him to come through on was only sufficent for him to speak in English. To speak in another language would require a completely different energy.
I wasn't finished with him yet.
"So when you were in the physical" I said "What form of Chinese did you speak, Madarin or Cantonese?"
He laughed me off finding it a little odd I seemed so intersted in his personal history rather than asking him bigger 'spiritual' questions.
I had no more questions.
Afterwards over a cup of tea a woman (who I think was as sceptical as I was) asked me what I thought of the demonstration.
"I think he's very good at voices and accents" I replied "He could make a good career out of that".
Unknown to me the Medium was standing only 3 feet behind.
Needless to say that evening was the begining of the end of my relationship with the SAGB.
I think spirit energy is a different thing .. I could be wrong though
Houdini wasn't a skeptic he was a real non believer...
it seems to me the issue is not the fact that this can occur but the idea that is always has to be in the pitch dark... why is this so? Why not even a candle
Again this is not correct Evergreen.
Helen Duncan worked with a red light on in the room.
It was dim, but a light just the same.
Never claimed to know anything at all David.... I've read lots of information on here stating this will only be peformed in the dark.. and something I read just today stated that the mediums involved said it would harm spirit if preformed in light... still why red light?? _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
My GrandMother used to work with a Trance Medium whom is not well known but he always worked with the lights on he wanted people to spot fakes. He was one of the few I have heard of during the fifties and sixties whom did work with the lights on. I am all for a skeptic to put my gift to the test just to see if I really am nuts. LOL. Seriously to challenge myself through anothers eyes helps me to grow as a person. _________________
This is from a lady who's mother saw the original photos
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Could you let me know in what way the photo's were altered?
Cheers
One of the more obvious photos that were altered to bring disrepute to Helen,was one entitled 'Peggy' taken by the well known 'ghostbuster' Harry Price. He was the one who tested Helen at her seances,and his reports and my Mum and Dads do not tally. He was the Jondonnis of his day!
Funny I should mention the Cottingley fairies...I caught the end of the antiques road show yesterday,and a relative of the girls had the original untouched photo,which I have seen myself.
I will send you a link to a website about Helen ,I would send photos,but can't on this post. I looked at your site yesterday,but couldn't find anything about this.
link for Helen Duncan;
http://www.helenduncan.org.uk/articles/churchills-witch.html
In his autobiography, Search for Truth, Price said the “Great Sequah” in Shrewsbury was "entirely responsible for shaping much of my life’s work", and led to him acquiring the first volume of what would become the Harry Price Library, Price later became an expert amateur conjurer, joined the Magic Circle in 1922 and maintained a lifelong interest in stage magic and conjuring. His expertise in sleight-of-hand and magic tricks stood him in good stead for what would become his all consuming passion, the investigation of paranormal phenomena.
Psychical research
A photograph of Price and a Spirit taken by William Hope. Later proven to be a fake. Price's first major success in psychical research came in 1922 when he exposed the 'spirit' photographer William Hope. During the same year, Price traveled to Germany together with Eric Dingwall and investigated Willi Schneider, traveled to Mount Brocken in Germany to conduct a 'black magic' experiment in connection with the centenary of Goethe, involving the transformation of a goat into a young man. The following year, Price made a formal offer to the University of London to equip and endow a Department of Psychical Research, and to loan the equipment of the National Laboratory and its library. The University of London Board of Studies in Psychology responded positively to this proposal and, in 1934, the University of London Council for Psychical Investigation was formed with Price as Honorary Secretary and Editor.
In 1934, the National Laboratory of Psychical Research took on its most illustrious case. £50 was paid to the medium Helen Duncan so that she could be examined under scientific conditions. A sample of Helen Duncan's ectoplasm had been previously examined by the Laboratory and found to be largely made of egg white. Price found that Duncan's spirit manifestations were cheesecloth that had been swallowed and regurgitated by Duncan. Price later wrote up the case in Leaves from a Psychist’s Case Book in a chapter called "The Cheese-cloth Worshippers". During Duncan's famous trial in 1944, Price gave his results as evidence for the prosecution.
Price's psychical research continued with investigations into Karachi's Indian rope trick and the fire-walking abilities of Kuda Bux in 1935. He was also involved in the formation of the National Film Library (British Film Institute) becoming its first chairman (until 1941) and was a founding member of the Shakespeare Film Society. In 1936, Price broadcast from a supposedly haunted manor house in Meopham, Kent for the BBC and published The Confessions of a Ghost-Hunter and The Haunting of Cashen's Gap. This year also saw the transfer of Price's library on permanent loan to the University of London(see external links below), followed shortly by the laboratory and investigative equipment. In 1937, he conducted further televised experiments into fire-walking with Ahmed Hussain at Carshalton and Alexandra Palace, and also rented Borley Rectory for one year. The following year, Price re-established the Ghost Club, with himself as chairman, conducted experiments with Rahman Bey who was 'buried alive' in Carshalton and drafted a Bill for the regulation of psychic practitioners. In 1939, he organized a national telepathic test in the periodical John O'London's Weekly. During the 1940s, Price concentrated on writing and the works The Most Haunted House in England, Poltergeist Over England and The End of Borley Rectory were all published.
Try swallowing three feet of cheese cloth before going in to a room full of people. Then having a full body search, vagina included. Then being sown into a sack and then regurgitating the cloth.
I would like to see James Randi have a go at that one.
In fact just try to swallow a handkerchief and the regurgitate it. _________________ Please visit our main site
Thinking back to the programme, didn't he eventually put her in a wooden box so that just her head poked out and then said that she could of moved stuff with a stick under her chin? Thought that a bit unlikely.
Or am I thinking of something else?
Thinking back to the programme, didn't he eventually put her in a wooden box so that just her head poked out and then said that she could of moved stuff with a stick under her chin? Thought that a bit unlikely.
Or am I thinking of something else?
That was a different medium Kas.
Sometimes the explanations of sceptics make the mind reel with bemusement.
There explanation is far more outlandish that the idea that some people can do things that other people just cant. _________________ Please visit our main site
The interesting thing here to me is that on this forum we have someone who's parents were involved in all this and they claim that the press altered the Ducan pictures to discredit her.
Surely this is important news for an investigator.
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