the purpose of following those threads is to achieve ENLIGHTENMENT!
the next question is obvious.........has anyone ever 'achieved' it?
has anyone ever met anyone who claimed to be so ?
according to the story the Buddha was at deaths door before he was graced........should i starve myself and sit in a river?
i have sat with shaman......sat in circles,visited spiritualists,been to oshos ashram in pune,india., studied the runes and the Dao etc............it has all been very interesting and i have had moments of satori (not japanese raw fish).......yet still the quest goes on..............
when in shamanic ecstasy there is nothing.........zero.zilch.......
so if there is nothing then there is actually no-one to learn and live by threads!
there is also no-one to be enlightened or not...........
I am the last person who should comment in this....so here goes......
If there is no-one to do the threads....who are you talking to?
Your own view of yourself?
So what part of you are you talking to?
Which part has not acheived this?
Why haven't they?
How will they?
How will you help them?
meiah.in all seriousness i dont really know..........some say it is all a dream or mind...........in meditation i have seen this.yet assuming it is all a mirage i still have to play by the rules.ie i have to eat,sleep,work or this mirage will expire.....so why did i send myself here? to experience what exactly?
if there is a source that is dreaming everything or made everyting then why does it do so in this particular way?why does everything repeat time after time? is there a point to it/ why bother ?.why wont it communicate with me?...........
along the way i have read the power of now by eckhart tolle.........i get a lot of what he says but he too shirks what it is all about..............
so are there enlightened people?
how many have ever existed?
did they get to the truth?
Expectation! I want something from this meditation.
I want something from life.
I want money.
I want to be enlightened.
It shows a certain lack of self belief I think.
Sometimes it is not the destination but the journey.
Desire.
Lots of people have experienced mystical events. That does not mean that they are any happier. It just means that they have experienced mystical events.
Lots of people have experienced the presence of spirit or the full force of a magical workin or a wondrous healing.
They are not necessarily better people or wiser people. They have simply had a different experience.
We used to tell our children"I want does not get" It stops them from feeling entitled to have what ever they desire.
At the end of the day we succeed or fail right here in this body in this lifetime. The threads are simply there to take a good look at this life we are living. Anything over that comes with dedication. _________________ Please visit our main site
i dispute that there is anything wrong with desire.........
if we did not desire anything then we would all be stuck in inertia..........
yes it can be a problem if we make our desires our raison d'etre.........
we are all inquisitive.my neighbours cat is too! it is the nature of the beast.....so some years ago i became inquisitive........
so i ask again........does enlightenment exist?
if so who decides how to get there?
who said those threads are the way?
did god come to the messenger a la moses or was it an angel in the desert or was it aiwass?
there are many systems to 'achieve ' enlightenment.........on my travels i met a thai buddhist who had been a monk for 30 years......he gave up and left the monastery.he told me that he had wasted his time.........
so are the stories about the buddha just that? stories?
another way of controlling the plebs just like most organised religions?
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You do not need threads or anything else to achieve enlightenment.
I have met two people in my life who claim enlightenment. What it meant to them I have no idea and it is not of any concern to me as I cannot experience the understanding of another human being.
I have had some shocking insights into the creation of what we call "reality"and our part in that creation, but that does not mean that everyone will have or indeed wants those insights.
To me this is simply a series of meditations within which are buried some deep truths. The real truths are of course within you. And that is another thing that I have learned from them.
Gambling or footbal turns some people on and nothing wrong in that, but not me. We are all different and I think with different things to learn. Having said that what I witnessed within my meditations removes all questions and leaves only a sense of responsibility for the thing that we term reality and certainly for my own life. Some peoples music is just other peoples noise. These threads may suit some and not others. I am not selling them,just saying here they are take a look and explore if you wish. You are responsible for your own life and I have no desire to alter that. _________________ Please visit our main site
With desire comes choice. With desire comes a need to be other than you are. How many of us ask why we want what we want?
Perhaps your ex-monk had found enlightenment, he certainly had found that his previous way of life no longer suited his needs. He chose to leave a do something new. He broke free of his limitations.
Maybe ask what you view enlightenment to be? Find out what you are looking for, so you can find it. Maybe.
That makes more sense to me than it did when I first typed it :D
I am happy to look at myself a little closer. If I don't understand myself, and what I see myself as being, I find it hard to see anything else clearly.....where am I looking from? What is the context?
Its how I work, just me, my choice.
"the removal of questions"....that'll be a novel experience!!
With desire comes disappointment and frustration as often as not. We want what we want and then when we get it disappointment is often the result.
I have an idea that enlightenment will bring freedom from desire. Surely an enlightened person looses that thing called desire. Personally I am no longer looking for anything. I realise that nature does not make mistakes. Some would site evolution as a series of mistakes but I take the opposite view.
You use the words "see myself as being" therein lies entrapment. Don't ask why. It is yet another meditation to work on
The removal of questions is impossible of course unless you are a very advanced soul. And If you stop asking them I for one would find your house and check your pulse xxx _________________ Please visit our main site
As I have said to you I am a beginner yet my take on enlightenment is-
when you realise that you are perfect as everything is perfect. When you can accept what is yours and what just is.... it is graceful and happy it feels like contentment...
Ah that saya everything and yet nothing.. I have often wondered if enlightenment is possible??? But then the more I learn the more I realise I know very little, so perhaps I shall never be able to answer my own questions
Thanks, David, for bringing this back to my attention. I had forgotten.....again. I read my post and it sounds like it was from someone I remember. It feels strange and good.
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