Choosing your parents is just a small part of the choices you make before physical birth.
Once you agree to your overall life path and the reasons behind your fourth coming incarnation it would seem obvious to choose the correct parentage to start that life off in the right way.
I was also wondering if any religion or culture believes in choosing your next set of parents or making any choices at all? _________________ Please visit our main site
The other choices depends entirely on whatever it is you're coming back to experience.
It could be that one of the things you have to experience in the next lifetime is absolute poverty and starvation so the clear choice in that scenario would be to choose for yourself parents from a starving African community rather than parents from a wealthy western background.
The choosing of parents is far more complicated than that of course, that's just a simple example.
I don't really follow your question about if other religions believe the same.
What does it matter if they do or don't when clearly most of the world's religions have got it all so spectacularly wrong anyway?
The other choices depends entirely on whatever it is you're coming back to experience.
It could be that one of the things you have to experience in the next lifetime is absolute poverty and starvation so the clear choice in that scenario would be to choose for yourself parents from a starving African community rather than parents from a wealthy western background.
The choosing of parents is far more complicated than that of course, that's just a simple example.
I don't really follow your question about if other religions believe the same.
What does it matter if they do or don't when clearly most of the world's religions have got it all so spectacularly wrong anyway?
It matters because I am wondering about the validity of the whole concept of returning, and choosing.
If this view is held by spiritualists alone then to me it is as invalid as believing that Jesus was the son of God, or come to that believing that the Earth is flat.
I just cannot see how such things can be said with such certainty unless you yourself have experienced, and remembered being in spirit, and making choices and then returning.
I know that you like to speak from personal experiences so I thought you might shed some light on the subject. _________________ Please visit our main site
Well, I have no personal experience of this particular field but I have spoken with a great many people who have had NDE's, past life regressions and the like who have said, independantly of each other that they have had experiences of planning and having some say in the next earthly life they live.
Myself, I listen to these stories and I wait for something to 'click' inside me as to whether or not I believe them.
I trust my own internal 'barometer' if you will, and some things ring true, other things sound like complete bunkum (hello Mr. Icke!)
It's like I always say Mr. Hobbs, you have to find your truth and stand by it.
I used to do past life regression in fact still do when needed, and although some amazing things came out of it, so did some absolute wishful rubbish on the part of the subjects. There beliefs manifested as facts.
So for me the jury is still out on that one.
I think all things are possible, and I do realise, as I am sure you do, that if you are working with magical currents then you build your pantheon and then bring it to life regardless of whether it exists or not and it will manifest.
So yes beliefs are essential in certain modes of life, but I am always mindful not to buy into them.
I know I am pedantic on this subject but Hey I am just an old git _________________ Please visit our main site
I believe we choose our parents and our children chose us... Again this is a belief and we can't have the word belief muddled with the word truth now can we?
I do what I call a visualisation where I meet with my 'guide' my 'higherself' whatever you want to call him... I see him in my minds eye and I ask him questions...
For example... my eldest son suffers with eczema & he asked me one day why god had given him eczema... I told him god did not give him eczema. I used to suffer with eczema until I fell pregnant for my son, then it cleared up and I've never had it since... Cory was born with it... My guide told me this was arranged before my son got here... it was a pact we made on the other side/vibrational level, whatever you want to call it.
Now, I do understand that this sounds just plain nuts and I could very well be deluding myself that I feel I was talking with a higher source when indeed I could of just been talking to myself. But it just 'feels' true, as with Raymond, something just clicks.
Have you read Oversoul 7? Now thats an interesting read that sort of explains all this but far more deeper in depth... Jane Roberts is the author.
What a delightful thing to say about your parents Meiah. Have you ever said it to them?
OK, here's something to throw into the mix. My natural father did a vanishing act before I was born and when I was 3 my Mother re-married to a man I now consider as my Father.
Where does that fit into all this 'choosing parents' thing?
Remember: I accept the 'choosing parents' theory and I know how it fits in, I just want to hear all your thoughts on it.
Well I think he ws there to create you as the person you are so you could be there at the right time all that kind of stuff Raymond- but the father you grew up with is the father you needed..... _________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
Once we are born into the physical we have free will, our parents have free will. Just because you agree to have certain parents does not mean that they will raise you, anything could happen, you could be adopted for example.
It is only mainly Western Religions ,apart from a few,that do not accept reincarnation.
Anthroposophy describes the present as being formed by a tension between the past and the future. Both influence our present destiny; there are events that occur due to our past, but there are also events that occur to prepare us rightly for the future. Between these two, there is space for human free will; we create our destiny, not only live it out, just as we build a house in which we then choose to live. Therefore,we do indeed 'choose' our parentage,and what path we follow on this Earth,or--or other planets?
In India this doctrine was thoroughly established from ancient times.
The idea that the soul reincarnates is intricately linked to karma, whose first explication was also seen in the Hindu books of the Upanishads. The idea is that individual souls, jiva-atmas pass from one plane of existence and carry with them samskaras (impressions) from former states of being. These karmic agglomerations on the soul are taken to the next life and result in a causally-determined state of being. In some schools of Hinduism liberation from samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth, is considered the ultimate goal of earthly existence. This is known as Moksha, mahasamadhi (or nirvana, also found in Buddhism) in Hinduism. Other Bhakti traditions assert that liberation from samsara is merely the begginning of real spiritual life and beyond nirvana activities still continue, but that they are no longer of a worldly nature. Both sides agree on the pheomenom of reincarnation itself.
Buddhism and Vedanta (in particular Advaita Vedanta) further promoted the notion of nirvana following the advent of the great Hindu sage Adi Shankaracharya. The idea that stilling one's karmas and becoming at one, harmonious, with all would free one, ultimately, from reincarnation, became a central tenet of Hinduism. It displaced more complex Puranic systems positing the gradual progression of a soul through 8,400,000 (sometimes more) lives until eventual awakening. Instead, it relied more on the idea of self-growth and enlightenment through Yoga. Buddhism differed in that it felt there was no soul to reincarnate and developed an elaborate complex of metaphysical explanations for temporary states of ego to explain rebirth
Since according to Buddhism there is no permanent and unchanging soul there is no metempsychosis in the strict sense. However, Buddhism never rejected samsara, the process of rebirth or reincarnation; there is debate, however, over what is transmitted between lives.
In Jainism, not only animals and humans but devas also reincarnate after they die.
Ayyavazhi says all souls are continuously reborn unless they reach Dharma Yukam, a state of union with God.
Some ancient Greek philosophers believed in reincarnation; for example Plato's Phaedo and The Republic. Pythagoras was probably the first Greek philosopher to advance the idea
Classic works of the Kabbalah, Shaar ha Gilgulim ("Gate of Reincarnations") of Arizal or Isaac Luria, describes complex laws of reincarnation gilgul and impregnation ibbur of 5 different parts of the soul. It shows many references of reincarnation in the Hebrew Bible (the Tanach).
After the publication of the Zohar in the late 13th century, the idea of reincarnation spread to most of the general Jewish community.
While ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and Socrates attempted to prove the existence of reincarnation through philosophical proofs, Jewish mystics who accepted this idea did not. Rather, they offered explanations of why reincarnation would solve otherwise intractable problems of theodicy (how to reconcile the existence of evil with the premise of a good God.)
Rabbis who accepted the idea of reincarnation include the founder of Chassidism, the Baal Shem Tov, Levi ibn Habib (the Ralbah), Nahmanides (the Ramban), Rabbenu Bahya ben Asher, Rabbi Shelomoh Alkabez and Rabbi Hayyim Vital.
Martin Buber's collection of Legend of the Baal-Shem (Die Chassidischen Bücher) includes several of the Baal Shem Tov's stories that explicitly discuss concrete cases of reincarnating souls.
While many Jews today do not believe in reincarnation, the belief is common amongst Orthodox Jews, particularly amongst Hasidim; some Hasidic siddurim (prayerbooks) have a prayer asking for forgiveness for one's sins that one may have committed in this gilgul or a previous one.
Many Gnostic groups believed in reincarnation. For them, reincarnation was a negative concept: Gnostics believed that the material body was evil, and that they would be better off if they could eventually avoid having their 'good' souls reincarnated in 'evil' bodies.
The Gnostic Gospel of the Nazirenes - Chapter 69:
1. As Yeshua sat by the west of the temple with his disciples, behold there passed some carrying one that was dead, to burial, and a certain one said to Him, "Master, if a man die, shall he live again?" 2. He answered and said, "I am the resurrection and the life, I am the good, the beautiful, the true; if a man believe in me he shall not die, but live eternally. As in Adam all (1997 = are bound to cycles of rebirth) die, so in the Messiah shall all be made alive. Blessed are the dead who die in me, and are made perfect in my image and likeness, for they rest from their labors and their works do follow them. They have overcome evil, and are made pillars in the temple of my God, and they go out no more, for they rest in the eternal." 3. "For them that persist in evil there is no rest, but they go out and in, and suffer correction for ages, till they are made perfect. But for them that have done good and attained to perfection, there is endless rest and they go into life everlasting. They rest in the eternal." 4. "Over them the repeated death and birth have no power, for them the wheel of the eternal revolves no more, for they have attained to the center, where is eternal rest, and the center of all things is God."
Note: The text above is not from the original Gospel of the Nazirenes, which now exists only in fragments. Rather, it is the product of "channeling" and of recent origin.
The texts contains several parallels to the Gospels, which are, though, traditionally interpreted differently in their context:
"I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. John 11:25f RSV Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. Revelation 3:12 (NIV)
Almost all present official Christian denominations reject reincarnation: exceptions include the Liberal Catholic Church. There is clear evidence that doctrines of reincarnation circulated in the early Church (before the 6th century A.D.) and were at least tolerated within the Church at that time. Two Church Fathers, Origen and Clement of Alexandria are frequently cited as supporting this. The Council of Nicea changed all this.
The Gnostic gospels include clear references to reincarnation, and it is clear that this early Christian (heretical) sect believed in this .
There is also scriptural evidence in the official gospels which supports the claim that early Christians believed in reincarnation. Matthew 19:28 states: "Verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration (Greek -- pale-genesia literally, rebirth) when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." A more well-known passage from John 3:3 reads, "...Except a man be born again (Greek -- ano-then), he cannot see the Kingdom of God."
Though reincarnation is not recognized by exoteric Islam - and has even been declared blasphemy by at least one authority - it is clearly part of the esoteric (especially Sufi) tradition. In fact, one source claims that most of the traditional saints of Islam have believed in reincarnation - but confirms that it is a much contested belief in modern exoteric Islam. Its basis in the Koran includes Sura 2:28:
"How can you deny God, when you were dead and God gave you life? Then God will cause you to die, and then revive you, and then you will be returned to God."
Mystics and poets in the Islam tradition have celebrated this belief:
Modern Sufis who embrace the idea of reincarnation include Bawa Muhaiyadeen.
Reincarnation is an intrinsic part of many Native American and Inuit traditions. Regardless of the actual religious beliefs and practices of today's Native Americans, with varying religious beliefs, the idea has survived for centuries. In the now heavily Christian Polar North (now mainly parts of Greenland and Nunavut), the concept of reincarnation is enshrined in the Inuit language. The survival of the concept of reincarnation applies across the Nations in varying degrees of integrity. The Nations are, of course, now sandwiched between Eastern [Native] and Western tradition.
Reincarnation plays an important role in the ideas of Anthroposophy, founded by Rudolf Steiner. Steiner described the human soul gaining new experiences in every epoch and in a variety of races or nations. The unique personality and abilities, but also weaknesses, that every human being is born with are not simply a reflection of the genetic heritage -- though Steiner described the incarnating soul as searching for and even preparing a familial lineage supportive of its future life -- these elements of our character are also formed by our past lives.
Modern theosophy, which draws its inspiration from India, has taken metempsychosis (or rather reincarnation) as a cardinal tenet; it is, says a recent theosophical writer, "the master-key to modern problems," and among them to the problem of heredity. The idea of reincarnation is also part of the New Age culture.
Scientology is another new religion that accepts past lives and holds that all beings are truly immortal, although in a variety of levels of awareness. In Scientology, a person's own actions are their own responsibility. In this context, responsibility or a lack of responsibility can act to create something that is similar to karma in other belief systems.
Much of the controversy involving Scientology arises from the logical extension of the concept of past lives to what is effectively eternity. In this context, past lives not only take place prior to Earth, but also in non-Earth civilizations, and even in universes prior to this one, where conditions and rules of existence can be different. One could even have past lives in civilizations where advanced technology was common and/or routine. Thus a person who once lived in a world destroyed by nuclear war could become upset living in a world where nuclear power has been re-discovered.
Scientology also holds that people are composite beings, and that the physical body can have a sense of awareness of its own, separate from the mind and the spirit, which can recall memories from its own genetic line. In Scientology the term that roughly corresponds to the concepts for spirit or soul is theta . _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
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It is only mainly Western Religions ,apart from a few,that do not accept reincarnation.
Anthroposophy describes the present as being formed by a tension between the past and the future. Both influence our present destiny; there are events that occur due to our past, but there are also events that occur to prepare us rightly for the future. Between these two, there is space for human free will; we create our destiny, not only live it out, just as we build a house in which we then choose to live. Therefore,we do indeed 'choose' our parentage,and what path we follow on this Earth,or--or other planets?
In India this doctrine was thoroughly established from ancient times.
The idea that the soul reincarnates is intricately linked to karma, whose first explication was also seen in the Hindu books of the Upanishads. The idea is that individual souls, jiva-atmas pass from one plane of existence and carry with them samskaras (impressions) from former states of being. These karmic agglomerations on the soul are taken to the next life and result in a causally-determined state of being. In some schools of Hinduism liberation from samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth, is considered the ultimate goal of earthly existence. This is known as Moksha, mahasamadhi (or nirvana, also found in Buddhism) in Hinduism. Other Bhakti traditions assert that liberation from samsara is merely the begginning of real spiritual life and beyond nirvana activities still continue, but that they are no longer of a worldly nature. Both sides agree on the pheomenom of reincarnation itself.
Buddhism and Vedanta (in particular Advaita Vedanta) further promoted the notion of nirvana following the advent of the great Hindu sage Adi Shankaracharya. The idea that stilling one's karmas and becoming at one, harmonious, with all would free one, ultimately, from reincarnation, became a central tenet of Hinduism. It displaced more complex Puranic systems positing the gradual progression of a soul through 8,400,000 (sometimes more) lives until eventual awakening. Instead, it relied more on the idea of self-growth and enlightenment through Yoga. Buddhism differed in that it felt there was no soul to reincarnate and developed an elaborate complex of metaphysical explanations for temporary states of ego to explain rebirth
Since according to Buddhism there is no permanent and unchanging soul there is no metempsychosis in the strict sense. However, Buddhism never rejected samsara, the process of rebirth or reincarnation; there is debate, however, over what is transmitted between lives.
In Jainism, not only animals and humans but devas also reincarnate after they die. A Jainist, who accumulates enough good karma, may become a god; but, this is generally seen as undesirable since gods eventually die and one might then come back as a lesser being.
Ayyavazhi says all souls are continuously reborn unless they reach Dharma Yukam, a state of union with God.
Some ancient Greek philosophers believed in reincarnation; for example Plato's Phaedo and The Republic. Pythagoras was probably the first Greek philosopher to advance the idea
Classic works of the Kabbalah, Shaar ha Gilgulim ("Gate of Reincarnations") of Arizal or Isaac Luria, describes complex laws of reincarnation gilgul and impregnation ibbur of 5 different parts of the soul. It shows many references of reincarnation in the Hebrew Bible (the Tanach).
After the publication of the Zohar in the late 13th century, the idea of reincarnation spread to most of the general Jewish community.
While ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and Socrates attempted to prove the existence of reincarnation through philosophical proofs, Jewish mystics who accepted this idea did not. Rather, they offered explanations of why reincarnation would solve otherwise intractable problems of theodicy (how to reconcile the existence of evil with the premise of a good God.)
Rabbis who accepted the idea of reincarnation include the founder of Chassidism, the Baal Shem Tov, Levi ibn Habib (the Ralbah), Nahmanides (the Ramban), Rabbenu Bahya ben Asher, Rabbi Shelomoh Alkabez and Rabbi Hayyim Vital.
Martin Buber's collection of Legend of the Baal-Shem (Die Chassidischen Bücher) includes several of the Baal Shem Tov's stories that explicitly discuss concrete cases of reincarnating souls.
While many Jews today do not believe in reincarnation, the belief is common amongst Orthodox Jews, particularly amongst Hasidim; some Hasidic siddurim (prayerbooks) have a prayer asking for forgiveness for one's sins that one may have committed in this gilgul or a previous one.
Many Gnostic groups believed in reincarnation. For them, reincarnation was a negative concept: Gnostics believed that the material body was evil, and that they would be better off if they could eventually avoid having their 'good' souls reincarnated in 'evil' bodies.
The Gnostic Gospel of the Nazirenes - Chapter 69:
1. As Yeshua sat by the west of the temple with his disciples, behold there passed some carrying one that was dead, to burial, and a certain one said to Him, "Master, if a man die, shall he live again?" 2. He answered and said, "I am the resurrection and the life, I am the good, the beautiful, the true; if a man believe in me he shall not die, but live eternally. As in Adam all (1997 = are bound to cycles of rebirth) die, so in the Messiah shall all be made alive. Blessed are the dead who die in me, and are made perfect in my image and likeness, for they rest from their labors and their works do follow them. They have overcome evil, and are made pillars in the temple of my God, and they go out no more, for they rest in the eternal." 3. "For them that persist in evil there is no rest, but they go out and in, and suffer correction for ages, till they are made perfect. But for them that have done good and attained to perfection, there is endless rest and they go into life everlasting. They rest in the eternal." 4. "Over them the repeated death and birth have no power, for them the wheel of the eternal revolves no more, for they have attained to the center, where is eternal rest, and the center of all things is God."
Note: The text above is not from the original Gospel of the Nazirenes, which now exists only in fragments. Rather, it is the product of "channeling" and of recent origin.
The texts contains several parallels to the Gospels, which are, though, traditionally interpreted differently in their context:
"I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. John 11:25f RSV Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. Revelation 3:12 (NIV)
Almost all present official Christian denominations reject reincarnation: exceptions include the Liberal Catholic Church. There is clear evidence that doctrines of reincarnation circulated in the early Church (before the 6th century A.D.) and were at least tolerated within the Church at that time. Two Church Fathers, Origen and Clement of Alexandria are frequently cited as supporting this.
The Gnostic gospels include clear references to reincarnation, and it is clear that this early Christian (heretical) sect believed in this .
There is also scriptural evidence in the official gospels which supports the claim that early Christians believed in reincarnation. Matthew 19:28 states: "Verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration (Greek -- pale-genesia literally, rebirth) when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." A more well-known passage from John 3:3 reads, "...Except a man be born again (Greek -- ano-then), he cannot see the Kingdom of God."
Though reincarnation is not recognized by exoteric Islam - and has even been declared blasphemy by at least one authority - it is clearly part of the esoteric (especially Sufi) tradition. In fact, one source claims that most of the traditional saints of Islam have believed in reincarnation - but confirms that it is a much contested belief in modern exoteric Islam. Its basis in the Koran includes Sura 2:28:
"How can you deny God, when you were dead and God gave you life? Then God will cause you to die, and then revive you, and then you will be returned to God."
Mystics and poets in the Islam tradition have celebrated this belief:
Modern Sufis who embrace the idea of reincarnation include Bawa Muhaiyadeen.
Reincarnation is an intrinsic part of many Native American and Inuit traditions. Regardless of the actual religious beliefs and practices of today's Native Americans, with varying religious beliefs, the idea has survived for centuries. In the now heavily Christian Polar North (now mainly parts of Greenland and Nunavut), the concept of reincarnation is enshrined in the Inuit language. The survival of the concept of reincarnation applies across the Nations in varying degrees of integrity. The Nations are, of course, now sandwiched between Eastern [Native] and Western tradition.
Reincarnation plays an important role in the ideas of Anthroposophy, founded by Rudolf Steiner. Steiner described the human soul gaining new experiences in every epoch and in a variety of races or nations. The unique personality and abilities, but also weaknesses, that every human being is born with are not simply a reflection of the genetic heritage -- though Steiner described the incarnating soul as searching for and even preparing a familial lineage supportive of its future life -- these elements of our character are also formed by our past lives.
Modern theosophy, which draws its inspiration from India, has taken metempsychosis (or rather reincarnation) as a cardinal tenet; it is, says a recent theosophical writer, "the master-key to modern problems," and among them to the problem of heredity. The idea of reincarnation is also part of the New Age culture.
Today, among newer movements, belief in reincarnation is widespread in New Age and Neopagan circles. It is an important tenet of Theosophy.
Scientology is another new religion that accepts past lives and holds that all beings are truly immortal, although in a variety of levels of awareness. In Scientology, a person's own actions are their own responsibility. In this context, responsibility or a lack of responsibility can act to create something that is similar to karma in other belief systems.
Much of the controversy involving Scientology arises from the logical extension of the concept of past lives to what is effectively eternity. In this context, past lives not only take place prior to Earth, but also in non-Earth civilizations, and even in universes prior to this one, where conditions and rules of existence can be different. One could even have past lives in civilizations where advanced technology was common and/or routine. Thus a person who once lived in a world destroyed by nuclear war could become upset living in a world where nuclear power has been re-discovered.
Scientology also holds that people are composite beings, and that the physical body can have a sense of awareness of its own, separate from the mind and the spirit, which can recall memories from its own genetic line. In Scientology the term that roughly corresponds to the concepts for spirit or soul is theta .
Lilly.
Is this from memory or has Mr Google contributed to the post.
It is as well to quote the source if there is one, in case they get a bit peeved. _________________ Please visit our main site
This text is from my own little blonde head,along with a bit of help from my personal library,I don't really agree with all of Mr. Google's ideas!
Yes Raymond, that nice Mr. Constantine the 'Great'? has a lot to answer for _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
I saw a very interesting documentary the other day about early Celtic Christianity in the British Isles.
It was virtually no different from the pagan religions that went on around it in Britain.
In fact, Celtic Christianity and Paganism lived quite peacfully side by side for many years.
That was until Rome decided to change all that.
Even way back then we were being forced to change our ways by foreigners. Not that different from today actually.
What docu. was that Raymond? was it on t.v ,and do you recall if Prof. Ronald Hutton was on the prog? _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
No idea Lil, I caught the last part of it as I was flicking. Old Ron wasn't in it. I would have paid more attention if he were, love the bloke!
Aha! I thought you would! A friend of my family is his Aunt, so I get to know all about his personal life.. _________________ Remember words spoken complaining may blight every effort and plan,
A kind word would help in attaining,
So say a kind word when you can.
Dad was a natural psychic all his life, and he was travelling around the North Isles on a Rural Cinema scheme in the 1950s when he became aware psychically that he "had a son". I didn't ask him much about this realisation because I found it embarrassing. On another occasion, either at the end of the 1950s or the start of the 1960s, he actually saw me. He didn't comment on my appearance, he just said he saw me. All this was many years before he met the woman who would later become Mam.
I never really asked Dad very much about his strange experiences because I wasn't as interested in psychic subjects then as I am now. I just found all that stuff strange and I tried to steer the conversation away from such things. Of course nowadays I regret it, and I wish I had tried to understand his experiences. _________________ Puddles still reflect the sky
for those who won't look up.
And Heaven's rain will always try
to fill an empty cup.
Tommy it always expected I would have a daughter with dark very curly hair (mine is dead straight) I had been seeing her for years in my "imagination" I just had this sense I would have her one day .. she is my third child I recall being kind of surprised that my other two didn't look at all like her my eldest has blond straight hair my second is a son... it is strange how these things work....
_________________ as a babe drinks from its mothers breast so too does man milk mother earth
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